Top 5 Most Important Things A First Year Archery Elk Hunter Must Know
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Top 5 Most Important Things A First Year Archery Elk Hunter Must Know

August 21, 2019


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from John Day how we doing good evening everybody happy fourth of July
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Locker B will be this hey Michael how’s it going is it September yet Caleb no
it’s not yet so and I’m kind of glad so I’m ready mentally but physically I am
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with that did that help at all how is the volume now Stephen Elliott
yeah volume seems seems low sounds good nacho libre Anthony J Boyd good evening
so yes volume is lower than normal huh that is weird because I don’t know why
oh I wonder wonder wonder wonder because I did that deal with Michigan last week
and kind of messed with a little bit okay how about that let me know let me
go okay Instagram sounding good physically I’m
Iraq living on Red Bull and Tylenol and IcyHot Josh that does not sound good at
all so alright so it kind of sounds like it’s just on the Facebook side that
audio is a little bit lower not really sure why they’re so Michael button hello
so yeah everybody on Instagram saying it sounds good youtube sounding good so
Andrew Walla that is worse hmm I don’t know that’s kind of weird YouTube is
also lower but I can hear because I didn’t change any of that within this so
I don’t know why it would be lower I’ll get
a little closer to the microphone and see if we can do it we’ll figure it out
we’ll get it going so Facebook habit has been having video issues all day long
today yeah I know I know YouTube is also lower
good evening Mike yeah Facebook side perpetual wanderer miss Lina how you
doing so ok we’ll kind of give it another minute or so and then we’ll get
going tonight we kind of duct tape we’ll fix it yes Josh duct tape fix fixes
everything so tonight we’re going to talk about kind of several questions you
guys sent in but one of the ones that I really wanted to focus on was the five
most important things that a new archery elk hunter should focus on so I’m just looking to see real quick on
the mic if it will let me change this in midstream here so okay Road good good
good okay yeah I don’t know everything’s
plugged in and it’s the same same normal settings so so anyways yeah got a few
questions in from you guys and then also like I said we’re gonna kind of focus on
that one also have a kind of a new product to share with you guys so yeah I
don’t know it might be kind of like you know somebody else stated because I
noticed there was a lot of issues with Facebook earlier today I really haven’t
changed any settings so yeah FPS is good I I mean all of our all of our marks are
showing really good so alright well let’s jump into and get going so hello
everybody my name is Michael Batease from the Elk Calling Academy and this is
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Wapiti Wednesday works is we typically start with a subject so you know I kind
of threw out a post earlier today somebody you know few people through
some questions in that they wanted to cover and we start with that but as
always it doesn’t matter which platform you’re on feel free to go ahead and put
your questions in and we will try to answer those as we roll along there is
some information that kind of you know hold back a little bit because we do
have paid members and private one-on-one lessons and also on the elk calling
academy.com so alright Facebook trying to silent
the Academy I like it so all platforms were we’re reporting issues today
yeah yeah it’s a cyber attack but ok so let’s jump into some of these questions I’m gonna save the one from Instagram
that was kind of pertinent because it’s it’s gonna tie in with the other main
questions so Steven Elliott said basically me and my ever famous hunting
partner Dave West think we may have been scouting too high out here on the coast
how high is too high does elevation preference vary for elk based off of
location in relevance to sea level and distance to the ocean so really I I mean
that the elevation is going to vary from area to area to where you’re at they
just you know like some areas that I hunt I I find out from seventy six
hundred feet on up to you know eighty five eighty six that’s kind of that
magical ribbon that I find them in in some areas other areas it might be
thirty five hundred feet it’s basically if you have an area that you found on
the map and I know David sent me a message about this and so if you
basically find an area that you like when you get boots on the ground the
best thing to do is hit all elevations up of that go high on the mountain hit
mid mountain and hit low on the mountain looking for that old rutting sign that
we talked about you know the old rubs yield wallows that’s gonna kind of tell
you in that area where that magical band is and that band like I said is gonna
vary from area to area to area there’s not really anything that I can sit there
and say you need to be at this certain elevation to really you know find elk in
every state in every area that elk live it just they just vary because there’s
certain things in certain pockets that they like and they hang at those
elevations so biggest piece of advice Steven and David I can give you guys is
if you were up that hi and you didn’t even see any old
running sign or running activity you know didn’t find any of that old running
sign then start working your way down the mountain and up that high a lot of
times you know you can find that that’s that summer range and you may find Bulls
up there but you want to find those old rubs and wallows because that’s where
they’re gonna be when the rut comes around so or are we needing a look at
relative elevations can compared to surrounding area yeah Dave you’re
exactly right just just start checking different elevations and really make it
a mental note this is where on X or base map or out Lee you know any of those
programs on your phone is gonna be really nice because when you get into
that magic mark when you get into that Magic Band you can start dropping pins
of that old running sign you know those rubs and wallows just
start dropping pins and waypoints because that’s those are areas you’re
gonna want to go back to in September so a big herd Bowl where are you from I am
from Boise Idaho so alright so this this one right here ties in with the
Instagram question so the Instagram question is I’m going on my first elk
hunt this October with an outfitter what advice do you have for first-time elk
hunter not a novice hunter but my first elk hunt so judy really the fact that
you’re going with an outfitter it and hopefully did research and there’s
there’s good feedback on that outfitter because if you’re going with a credible
outfitter they know their area they’ve been doing the scouting because you know
that’s their livelihood is to put you on animals so advice I can give you is
trust in what your outfitter and guide are telling you but also don’t be afraid
to ask questions so and ask the questions in a way that it doesn’t come
off argumentative or you know make him more
inquisitive you know if he’s like okay you know if they’re like okay we’re
gonna go over here and we’re gonna do this
so no Judy yes he’s a good friend also okay so good outfitter and a friend
that’s a recipe then basically trust what he’s doing but but at the same time
too it’s a great opportunity to ask those questions you know why are we
going over there why are we doing this it’s it’s that inquisitive where you
know you just you you want to know more you know why are we doing this you know
is it because the elk are doing this or they’re doing that or what and what it
does is it puts your trust in him because you could tell if they’re
knowledgeable back and also it’s it’s just another opportunity for you to
learn so but yeah biggest piece of advice I can give is trust trust them so private land tactics some of us don’t
hunt public land all the time you know when I read that today some of us don’t
hunt public land all the time lucky for you so really as far as the private land
tactics go it really doesn’t change you’re still going to do your same set
ups you’re still gonna do the same the only thing is is the elk on private land
typically aren’t as pressured so you can get away with a few more mistakes where
maybe on public land you’ve got to be dialed in on on top of the on top of
your game but as far as the tactics go they’re still gonna be the same you know
early early season pre-rut you know especially start of the season you’re
gonna look for those cooler damp draws you know where those elk are hanging out
you know and then as the season progresses you know you’re gonna go more
to those you know rutting zones so you’ll go from the cool damp draws down
to where the cow our and then into the rutting areas but
as far as calling tactics and setups and this and that nothing really changes the
only thing that may the only thing that will change is when you hear a bugle on
that private you’re not gonna be sitting there going hmm
person elk well person so because the fact that you are on private there’s a
really higher percentage chance that yeah that is an elk so now you will
still have guys that will work the perimeter of those privates trying to
pull those bulls off and you may encounter and you may hear one of those
and that may kind of get into your head a little bit but no tactics and all that
just stay exactly the same like we’ve talked about you know in the past so do
elk bugle in November during the late archery season they can but you know
really November time if it’s a normal rut year where that rut happened around
the autumn equinox and then you know kind of some post rat activity through
October by by the time November comes I mean they’re so worn out and tired and
have lost so much weight that you know their main focus at that point is really
packing on the fat getting ready for winter and whatnot so if you do hear any
bugling it’s probably gonna be more location.type bugles but it’s not going
to be something that you’re gonna be able to go out and bugle aggressively
and get into a rut fest with a bull unless it’s an odd year like last year
where the rut happened really really late in fact the lot of areas the peak
rut activity didn’t even seem to happen until October so if the peak rut happens
that late then yeah you you could get some in November but majority of time
normal years not a lot so okay so we’re gonna talk about this real
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and really both great products but they both come in tubs with scoops so and I
get asked a lot out in the field how do I go from those tubs with the scoops to
bottle so this is the inter fuse workout funnel it’s just two different lids that
you can screw off so you can you know take the big one off you can drop your
powder in here two scoops or whatever and then you know the cup thing I like
about these is they come with one carabiner they come in a four pack one
carabiner you can get a couple more but the cool thing I like about these is you
can just clip them on the outside of your pack so you don’t have to worry
about powder getting on the inside there are you know some companies that
basically have the sticks the the go sticks my experience with a lot of those
is you get a lot of powder that leaks out of them
it doesn’t matter I’ve tried them from numerous different companies and then
that powder is up getting in your pack and in this and that that’s why I like
these so for those of you on Instagram if you’re interested in checking these
out you can actually when we’re done go to our Instagram page click on the link
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in the show notes in the description down below in Facebook I actually posted
it a little bit ago before we started I really really like those they’re just
they’re handy they’re quick nice they’re sturdy and you can use them
over and over and over again they’re really easy for getting those branch
chain amino and electrolytes into your water that’s really important when
you’re out hiking and sweating and and all that and you don’t necessarily have
to clip them to the outside of your pack sometimes I’ll throw them up in the lid
of the pack so Lena what’s that do to so the late rut so the rut will vary based
on the upcoming winter you know what the winners gonna be like they are pretty
dang good knowing what the winner is gonna do and that’s where some research
of you know Farmers Almanac you can you can do a Google search for you know like
this one 20:19 slash 2020 winter predictions you can get an idea of what
the winner is gonna be and that’ll kind of give you an idea of where that rut is
gonna go but basically the reason that they will adjust that rut so like last
year the rut happened really really late well look at what happened in February
this year February came along and just got hammered with snow
I mean Colorado got dumped on Idaho we got dumped on and was extremely wet so
they will adjust that rut because of the gestational period of the calves so they
want those calves to be born about the time that the snows coming off and plus
grasses are grown and they have that feed but also to is they also want to
adjust that to where you know they are the last little bit of those calves
growing inside you know as those calves are growing that cow needs more and more
and more and more nutrients so that’s why in that you know February April you
know time frame March timeframe snows kind of start melting they have the
ability to get that grass and get the nutrients to really help
those cows or calves grow now if the winner gets too bad that cow will get so
stressed that it will actually abort that calf it’s it’s it’s basically it’s
a life saving on them that they’ll abort the calf to save to save their own life
so so that’s what really caused that late rut this year Lena so Kay grant
McHale and also the waste yeah so I can’t tell how many of the pouches tubes
I’ve picked up so yeah and like I said this this interfused one has worked
really really well for me and like I said it’s kind of cool for packets
they’re normally about $24.99 but I think right now they have them on sale
down at $15.99 or 1699 so I kind of keep an eye on them and then when I see that
price come down that’s when I I tend to kind of jump on them a little bit to to
to to to to to to to okay Chris Siemens hey Michael glad to be here been a rough
few weeks and hated missing the past few weeks welcome back but Keaton Chancellor
what are your thoughts on a cal party how long is long enough to stay in that
spot so you know typically what I’m doing kind of any blind calling routine
or this or that Keaton I will stay there for an hour
you know sometimes maybe a little more like if it’s midday I might go hour and
15 hour and 20 but typically that hour is the timeframe I’ve just learned in
the past that you know 30 minutes or 45 minutes just isn’t enough it always
seems like every time I get up at the 30 30 minute mark or 45 minute mark and
start moving it’s I don’t move very far and then all of a sudden I bump elke
that we’re coming in to me so so I will stay in those areas for an hour so Josh
prepared to work harder than expected Lena got you thank you you bet so Travis
O’Shea how you doing bud so be seeing you next week brother
Travis no I am NOT calling in the world championships next week some things have
come up and I’m not going to make it next week so I
will not be calling in the world championships so Chris always trust the
guy and seek knowledge absolutely Josh ask the landowner where
he has them tied up there you go there you go there’s there’s your private land
techniques so pick up will Primo’s videos for privately and him Andrew I
like it so mark Anderson officially a patreon yes welcome welcome Scott Schmid
sorry I’m late you are here we buy Zipf is at Costco
Costco they are individual serving tubes that have a solid snap lids and no
powder leaks I real refill the tubes with powders yeah there’s a lot of
different options out there in fact I remember taking 35 millimeter film
canisters and cutting the lid a little bit so that way I still had you know a
snap lid ability and would carry the powder in there it just worked for a
while but then I stumbled across these and and really liked those and use them
quite a bit so okay so the top five most important things to know as a first year
archery elk hunter so number one is the terrain is gonna be a weight a lot more
rugged and steep than what you anticipate so you you need to know that
you’re gonna be in rugged country I mean elk live in rugged country they are
tough and they are gonna take you into places that you almost think at times
that a human really should not be in there and if they do get an elk on the
ground that really maybe shouldn’t be taking something out of there I know
we’ve had a few few packs over the years that we almost called those knife and
fork areas that you know you go down there you get a bull on the ground you
might as well just take a knife and fork with you because you’re just gonna end
up eating that animal down there another thing that’s really really important to
know is really understand thermals how the
thermals work because if you really truly understand the thermals and you
really use those thermals as your ally you’re gonna be way better off it’s it’s
just one of those things that I see so many people will go after elk and
they’re not even paying attention with thermals and then they can’t understand
why the elk blew out or why the elk got quiet or this so thermals is definitely
important also always have a back-up plan so it doesn’t matter how tight you
put your plan together especially if you’re hunting public land there are
going to be other people that are going to have that tight plan for that area so
always always be flexible always have a back-up plan so yeah it’s never what you
expected get in shape absolutely it I hear it from a lot of
guy especially guys that come from East you know out west to hunt and that’s
definitely one thing they’re like wow that country was a lot bigger than what
we anticipated so number two listen to Michael to tease I like it so okay so
also another thing is do research and gather as much information as you can
about elk because knowledge is extremely important when you’re out there because
you’re going to recognize you’re going to understand things without that
knowledge and understanding you’re gonna kind of be flying by the seat of your
pants you’re not gonna recognize situations you’re not going to
understand what’s going on I’m not saying that you can’t be
successful at all it certainly happened I mean my very first alkyne I didn’t
have a stinking clue and you know just happen to get lucky but preparing is is
one of those things that can make all the difference when you actually you
know get out there the other thing that is also really important is especially
as a first time archery hunter is don’t don’t focus on harvesting don’t focus on
punching your tag enjoy the journey if you put so much pressure on yourself
about harvesting or filling that tag or this or that you’re gonna miss out on so
many things about the hunt and you’re gonna miss out on I I mean the lessons
learned the surroundings you’re gonna listen about you know you’re gonna miss
out on so many clues of activity of sounds and body language and this and
that that so yeah you’re brand new you’re not gonna have all the answers
but also you use that first trip also as a learning opportunity and I mean each
time you go out I still to this day I mean this is gonna be my 31st year and I
still learn things every year some of the things were things that I knew a
while ago and I forgot about or just scrapped it or whatever and then have
that lesson come back again but you know and honestly I’m gonna put that one is
number one because so many guys are so many people nowadays hunt for likes they
hunt for social media likes they hunt for the admiration of their followers on
social media and I would be really interested to have that opportunity if
it was possible which I know it’s not to sit down with fredbear and have fredbear
be hunting in today’s landscape and just see what he thought about all this and
how he felt about it so go back and read some of our pioneers go back and read
some of those early forefathers in in their little writings and their stories
and their journals and their things that they have published and just you are
going to be amazed at the passion that these guys had but also the enjoyment of
every time out that they had but also to by you taking the time to enjoy your
hunt to enjoy your surroundings you’re also gonna find yourself that you’re
staying more mentally alert in the game to because you’re not so I mean let’s
let’s be honest first time hunter you are flat-out going to get kicked in the
teeth you’re gonna make mistakes you’re gonna have struggles you’re gonna have
hard days you’re gonna second guess what the heck you’re doing if you’re only
focusing on this successful notch tack but if you’re enjoying the whole journey
about it and using it as a learning experience and taking in everything
that’s around you you’re gonna have one of the greatest trips of your life so
alright um another important thing is understanding meet care you know knowing
what to do when that elk is on the ground I mean you guys may have heard me
on a podcast talk about you know that first elk that I harvested I didn’t I
didn’t have a clue I actually sat there and once I was done
you know gutting it out I grabbed the rack and was just
expecting just to drag the thing right back to the truck I learned really quick
that one guy by himself ain’t gonna happen you’re gonna have to
take that thing in smaller chunks and I think another important thing is the
first time elk hunter is to have realistic expectations so you know
depending on if you’re backcountry hunting or you know what you’re doing I
hear it all the time from new hunters you know four of us are heading out west
and we’re going ten miles in and we’re hunting for nine days and we’re gonna
kill four bulls all over 340 best of luck reality of that happening is
extremely thin also – I hear a lot of new first-time hunters say I’m gonna go
out and kill a 350 or I’m gonna go out and kill a 360 probably not because if
you’ve never out kind of before the first time that animal comes in you are
probably gonna be peeing down your leg and the ability to control your emotions
and execute the shot and do everything that you need to to harvest that animal
just isn’t there because you haven’t experienced it before so don’t go out
with these lofty huge expectations on your first trip out put an elk on the
ground whether it’s a spike or a cow or a rag horn or whatever but experience
what that’s like experience putting an arrow through experience the blood trail
experience how that animal is going to react once the arrow zips through him
and experience all those things so again that’s all part of that learning
experience and understanding what it takes to really be a successful archery
elk hunter so one of my favorite parts of the mountains is not having cell
service and getting back to the roots of life while I Andrew absolutely so I I’ve
heard from a lot of people lately that you they’re like man I’m frustrated I
need to find hunting partner all my guy wants to do
is go search for cell service and then sit on his phone a lot of times those
are the guys or those are the people that are hunting for likes because they
have to find that cell service to post the selfie or post the status or this or
that and it’s it’s yeah it is frustrating yeah we we like the same
thing get away I mean that’s that’s part of it getting away escaping to nature
recharging the batteries yeah the cell phone I mean yeah we’ll
still have them on airplane mode just because so we can use you know our Onix
mapping system so do you recommend breathing exercises for building up your
bugle you know it’s it’s not really exercises or breathing exercises it’s
it’s really taking you know deep breaths and and work on you know holding those
breaths and trying to take deeper breaths and as your bugling and
practicing just trying to stretch and hold that bugle out you know you can
actually do things to increase your lung capacity a little bit but the other
thing too is if you’re doing a bugle okay if you have in your mind that you
know you want to do a three note bugle with some chuckles at the end you know
practice those know how much lung power you have know how long you can hold
those three notes but always leave yourself enough air to do the end of the
bugle that you want so if it’s a location bugle you know do come off come
off the top of the hill come down the hill and drag that out or maybe you come
off the hill come down and then go back up whatever you’re doing and everybody’s
a little bit different on how long they’re gonna be able to hold those but
always leave enough air in your lungs that you can finish off your bugle
chuckles I mean basically chuckles you’re sucking air back in as you’re
doing chuckles so that kind of helps a little bit but yeah mister mr. Lawson it
just basically comes from practice and knowing your lung
acity for what you want to do so I think there’s a number one thing to understand
about bow hunting elk more important to calling and not just wind goes up in the
afternoon and down in the evening even just some shade or a draw with Creek
changes and thermals yeah I mean you could be on the hot side of the mountain
and as soon as you roll around that the cool side which is that North
northeastern side those temps could drop ten to fifteen degrees and that wind
could be doing something completely different so understanding how the
temperatures and that’s why I say understanding the thermals and what
they’re gonna do in regards to those different temperatures and also to what
are they’re gonna do on benches you know a lot of times you get on those benches
with you know a little bit of a rock face or this or that and you just get
into a swirly wind mode and those are those are just things that you know you
just have to get out there and experience and that’s where during the
summertime when you’re out doing your summer or your scouting and you’re
hiking around pay attention to what those thermals are doing throughout the
different parts of the day as the temperatures change and also where
you’re at on the mountain so pay attention to those things so thermals
don’t know why autocorrect change it to theirs oh I remember when I first
started elk hunting the best of ice I was given will shoot the first legal
bull or cow you see they may be the only ones you ever see on your hunt
absolutely and plus to you know once you have that experience and you’ve been
into it a little bit then you can start going okay I’m gonna go out this year
and I’m not gonna shoot anything smaller than a five point or I’m not gonna shoot
anything than a six point that you can most certainly do because you’ve had the
experience you’ve taken a legal bull or a cow and you you know you’ve had those
experiences because the thing is is once you’ve had those experiences and then
you start you know setting those goals for yourself of what you want to
accomplish during that season you’re gonna find that your
to control your nerves and your ability to do everything is a lot easier it’s
it’s it almost becomes okay I’ve been here before I know what to expect and
also to especially if you’ve taken you know a couple about depending on how
they were standing and you know that’s that’s always one thing that I do when I
get up to a downed elk is the first thing I want to do is I want to roll
that elk and I want to look at the entrance hole and I want to look at the
exit hole and then also to when we’re breaking that elk down I’m constantly
looking okay what did the arrow do with this angle you know did it tick off of a
rib which way did it go you know I always am trying to study and learn in
that efficiency to know that because then you recognize those angles and you
know okay I’ve been here before I know what’s gonna happen with you know this
arrow and I know what it’s gonna do and you also start to to kind of start
narrowing down and focusing on smaller spots because you have done it and you
know how that Anatomy is and you know how it sits in the rib cage and you know
how that leg bone coat comes up and these are all part that you really can’t
experience it until you’ve got an animal on the ground and check those things out
and break it down and just study it it’s almost like you’re in in biology class
again where you’re dissecting but you’re almost studying where everything’s at
and what happened so so your homework on the area you’re hunting but don’t become
tunnel vision by punching the tag so yeah so wind changes all the time and
coastal ranges you know and that’s the thing too is you know that winds gonna
change to weather you know it could be a bright sunny day
but all of a sudden some clouds come in and cover that Sun and it changes the
temperature I mean even that little bit of change can affect the wind and these
are the things that if you’ve never really paid attention to it you’re not
gonna recognize it so have lots to do for tomorrow snuck on here don’t tell
the wife now your secret’s safe with me but I won’t say a word so elk hunting is
truly a totally different hunt from any other animal I have learned so much just
sitting in the woods and walking in the mountains fantastic friends I have met
along the way make it all worthwhile I have had missed opportunities and missed
animals but always have an amazing time see Chris that’s that’s the great
approach there you know you’re not so focused on that punched tag that you
know you are taking the time to experience you know everything around
you so success of an elk hunt is not about filling your tag I don’t eat horns
I like it guys if I was a new hunter and couldn’t afford a tag and didn’t draw I
would pay to be someone’s collar or cameraman yeah I mean that’s the thing
too if you’ve got if you don’t have a tag but some of your buddies do go get
that experience so and even – even if you have hunted elk for a few years it
just I don’t know for me it gets into blood if I wasn’t able to have a tag and
I knew some friends of mine did man I would be there in a heartbeat just to
experience and be a part of it and be out there with them so I think your
journal suggestion is a good one for new elk hunters I did one last year perfect
so and those of you that may not have heard that before so one thing that I
did when I first started hunting elk was I took a spiral ring notebook to camp
with me and just started keeping a journal you know would write the date
and then I would write everything about that day what the temperature was what
the weather was what L behaved Juraj saw what what vocalizations I heard what I
did how they responded to what I did and I did that each day at the end of the
day you know when I got back to camp and I’m eating dinner and you know spiral
ring notebook it doesn’t take up much room it’s it’s hardly any weight at all
but the benefits that you get from that are huge because it’s something that you
can go back and watch over or read over and oh
and over again and the cool thing is is each time you read it you just relive
that day you relive those encounters now yeah there are gonna be some days that
you know there’s not gonna be a ton that you’re gonna put into the journal
because there wasn’t a ton of activity but still having something that you can
go back and read over and over and over again you just basically use those as
learning experiences just because like I said you get to replay them in your mind
over and over again so I met my hunting partners from hunting the same grounds
for years competing against each other and now we camp together and have shared
hunting spots same same here it actually is a great way and and really that’s one
of the things where I’ve talked about in the past don’t be afraid to talk to
people that are hunting the same areas that you are because one you can learn
maybe some hidden pockets you didn’t know about but also to you guys can then
work together and it’s a lot more effective if you’re working together
than if you’re working against each other so Idaho mountains are the only
place I can be totally free from work in the rest of the world I love my Bierly
business to God country Chris as as do we also Jonathan rush aside from boots
on the ground do you have a good resource to learn about thermals you
know the Internet the Internet is a great resource you know you could you
could certainly type it into YouTube you can certainly type it into Google you
can just basically sit there and type in mountain thermals or mountain wind
currents you know a lot of different phrases but there’s a pile of
information out there if you’re just willing to take the time and use those
resources so and take all of that tiny tea photo how you doing brother Judy
thanks for all the great advice I will certainly take a notebook you bet and
Judy the cool thing is is is with those notebooks as the years kind of
kind of tick long you can certainly go back and read those notebooks in those
journals and and it’s so cool I mean because you can go you know find one
from ten years ago I mean I’ll dig through old photos
sometimes and even looking at those photos and just the memories and stuff
it’s just so cool to go back and read those so I can quarter a deer and get
all the meat off in 20 minutes by myself my first two hours their size is not to
be underestimated no it is a process to break down an elk and I can guarantee
your legs are gonna get tired your back’s gonna get tight your shoulders
you’re gonna get sore all of it and and it it it never well I shouldn’t say it
never fails but a majority of the time you’ll be in
the middle of packing that elk off the mountain and you’re just gonna be wore
out exhausted and you’re just gonna think this is the worst situation I’ve
ever been into in the world but it’s amazing as soon as you make it back to
the truck or make it back to your camp and you take that heavy pack off your
shoulders and you sit down for a minute and you kind of regroup and it happens
every time you all of a sudden started thinking man you know that that really
wasn’t that bad but in the middle of it you’re sitting there thinking okay you
know if we come back in this spot again you know this or that you know it has to
be a certain size bull or you know you’re not gonna shoot a cow back in
this area and but I can guarantee it as soon as you get back to the truck or get
back to camp and you get that pack off your shoulders and you just sit down and
regroup for a minute it’s amazing how all of a sudden you will sit there and
go and that really wasn’t that bad I would definitely go do that again I’d go
do it again tomorrow so let’s see wouldn’t get too hot with Jack Keithley
if I hunted an Oregon great friend okay some of you guys are having
conversations Nick Stevens not sure if it’s me but I can’t hear you very well
yeah people have been talking about the the volume I mean they’ve been having
issues all day so if you think about how hard it will be you never will do it I don’t know we’ve we’ve always been that
type that yeah we don’t we don’t hear a bull bugle in the bottom of the canyon
we don’t sit up there and calculate how hard it’s gonna be to get that out
we’ve been foolish in the past where we’ve sat there and went oh there’s a
bull bugle in at the bottom of the canyon let’s go we’ll figure out how to
get him out once he’s on the ground so our first objective is get him on the
ground then we’ll figure out how to get out and there’s been times that we’ve
dropped into the bottom of that Canyon got him down on the ground and then we
started studying Maps and go holy cow here’s an old road system and it really
wasn’t that bad where there are individuals that are out there that will
stay up on top of that Ridge and go high and going down there now well we’ll go
find an elk in a more convenient place and a lot of times those are the ones
that don’t have that punch tag year after year after year or the ones that I
mean I know a lot of things you know factored into it I know a couple of guys
that man they’ve they’ve been hunting out 20 years 25 years they’d have never
gotten an elk so but if you talk to those guys they’ll also tell you you
know we we love our time out there every time it’s a learning experience and
we’re learning more and more and more but they’re not really the ones that are
diving off into those holes so tutu is a sweet satisfying oh it is a sweet
satisfying pain though when can we do it again
absolutely so you got to go where they are sitting in the woods and calling a
bowling is my favorite thing it’s it’s so cool so alright we have about 10
minutes left so last round of questions hunting solo the ability to get meat out
before it spoils is a serious ethical consideration it is and even if you’re
not hunting solo maybe you only have one other person with you and those are
always calculations that you have to do you know can we you know get this out in
time and are we going to you know is there a chance of spoiling and in this
and that especially early in the year but yeah those those are all
calculations that you have to do especially as a solo person and really
with backcountry hunting becoming more and more and more and more popular with
more and more people doing it I really Scott you’re you’re dead-on I
think there’s a lot of individuals that you know focus on preparing for the hunt
and focus on getting back there but they don’t think about what are they gonna do
if they’re successful you know what are they gonna do when they get something on
the ground and those that’s all part of preparing for that hunt you know knowing
what you’re gonna do what’s your plan as soon as you get something down how are
you gonna handle it how are you gonna get it off the mountain where are you
gonna take it I think last year you know we talked about for a lot of guys that
we’re going out of state you know calling around to the closest town to
where they’re hunting and see if there’s any meat lockers that you know they can
hang in these are all parts of preparing for that hunt I mean you’re doing
everything to prepare to get back in there and shoot efficiently and call
efficiently but you haven’t thought one bit about what you’re gonna do once you
get something on the ground so are you really having a complete plan on what
you’re gonna do so it’s all those pieces tied together so
bill one of the hardest thing I’ve done is breaking that bull down and carrying
them out alone I’m ready to do that again makes it a lot easier just to
stick to a good hit workout program absolutely but honestly if you could be
the in the best shape and if you don’t have a plan for how to take care of that
meat or what you’re gonna do based on the temperatures sometimes it’s it’s too
late by the time you’re out there you’ve kind of gone past that point of no
return and it could be pretty pretty tough so then yeah bill I know you
worked your butt off to get that bull off a mountain and competed with some
cows and some other critters out there so what do you do in early season as far
as them not calling and doing a cold call sequence so Cody the one thing that
we do and the one thing that we really teach an elk calling Academy and we have
this over in the elk calling academy.com instructional videos is our big thing is
breeding sequence you know that early time of year you can create excitement
you can take you know quiet Bulls and you start doing that breeding sequence
and you do it the right way you can take that from a quiet area – all of a sudden
Bulls bugling and responding and being pretty dang vocal you know we’ve we’ve
done it year after year on opening weekend and so if you want to know more
about the breeding sequence and those instructional videos elk calling
academy.com it is our patreon page it is $15 a month there’s all kinds of
instructional videos on there on all the different elk sounds what they mean how
to do them when to use them during the time of the year’s the breeding sequence
mid day calling sequence what to do pre Rhett peek Rhett post rut we also have a
scouting tutorials and tools that we use for finding you know elk areas that we
want to hunt in and in fact we have a new video that’s dropping this Friday in
there a new instructional video so which is actually I’m doing a mock set
up out in the field so you’ll see exactly why I set up where I do why you
know how what my plan is to draw and then what I’m gonna do in my calling
sequence but also to how I’m gonna respond to different bugles that I get
back so headed up scouting next weekend we’ll be out six weeks before opening
day to earlier good thing no any time Aaron out scouting is is a really really
good time you know typically you know this time of year I’ve already had
cameras out for a couple of weeks and then I’m spending a good majority of
July in August just on higher elevation higher peaks and sitting behind the
glass I’m not doing a ton of hiking in the area especially as we get closer to
season I’m gonna work on those higher elevations those vantage points where I
can glass and watch the elk move through the timber and you know that’s a really
good way to learn where they’re coming out of in the evening and going to feed
and also where they’re going in the morning to bed and you can learn a whole
lot about an area just from sitting behind the glass now obviously I’m in a
class those areas but I’ve already been out and I’ve walked those areas I found
the elk sign I found the old reading sign I know this is an area that I
definitely want to hunt and then that’s what I’m really gonna spend the time on
the glass throughout the summer because once season starts I don’t spend a whole
lot of time behind the by nose because I’m there in the timber and where I hunt
is usually a little thicker to sit there in class so can you still call in a bowl
during an early October rifle hunt absolutely you know and again depending
on you know what the rut activity was like in September you’ll know especially
in those early October rifle hunts you know cow sounds can be highly highly
effective but also too if it’s a later rut year there
still some really good bugling activity going on in those early october rifle
hunts and you can still get some good heavy bugle activity and good encounters
in so what are your best suggestions about word put game cameras so you know
Michael there’s a lot of different options so I’ll put cameras on wallows
and a lot of times if I put a camera on a wallow I typically have that one on
video mode but you know travel corridors a lot of times game trails you know put
cameras on there because those those trails they’re good they’re generally
gonna give you an established direction of travel and also established time
whether it’s morning or evening and then you can kind of start clicking off all
that information that you want to gather about the area you know where they bed
where they feed what travel corridor is they use in the morning what travel
corridor is they use in the evening you know game cameras are great for
gathering that type of information so Corey Chrisman I am doing well how are
you doing bud so I’ve had to cover my bowl with fir boughs two feet deep to
keep blowflies off – you got it done yeah there are some years where the
Flies and the bees it’s it’s almost they’re taking meat off the bowl just as
fast as you are so yeah some years seem a lot worse I
know I was I made a quick dash up this past weekend and good lord the
mosquitoes were horrible but you know we still have snow up in some of the higher
country still and so where I was where I headed to I thought I would be okay but
man it was outrageous in fact I’m heading up there again tomorrow morning
and I think I’m going to take up a Costco sized can of off and I’m gonna
pull the pin and let that thing blow off like a grenade and get rid of all those
so Corey are you going to be at the world’s quarry no I’m gonna miss it this
year some things that come up and I’m just not gonna make
so what underquilt do you are you currently running for your hammock so
nacho I don’t actually run I underquilt the underquilt I have is actually from
6:00 a.m. outdoors by um outdoors they’ve got some great under quilts but
I actually run a climate insulated pad under or in my in my hammock with my
zero degree sleeping bag so all right guys
countdown is started we’re about a minute and a half so I appreciate each
and every one of you tuning in tonight hopefully you’ve kind of found some
tidbits tonight that will kind of help you this season is always appreciate all
of you tuning in without you guys I wouldn’t be able to do this have a safe
and happy 4th of July and take a moment to think those that
continually defend the freedoms that we get to enjoy and you know just thank
them for their constant sacrifices so have a great 4th of July everybody as
always keep calling keep practicing most importantly though have fun and we’ll
see you guys next week on the next episode of Wapiti Wednesday Q&A brought
to you by Elk Calling Academy have a great week everybody

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