Too Many Immigrants. BBC Documentary
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Too Many Immigrants. BBC Documentary

October 18, 2019


There’s too many people in the country
end of story that’s it it needs to stop now immigrations had a
great effect on Britain before zonker so we’re only lodgers now we can’t fit
everybody we are two smaller nation the number of immigrants in the UK has hit a
record 7.9 million according to a recent survey three-quarters of Britons want to
reduce the numbers coming in the country has never been so divided immigration
has brought many benefits we can take a certain amount and I think we’ve come
beyond that in this experiment we’ve come to London which has the highest
percentage of immigrants in the country to bring both sides of the debate
together five sets of UK born citizens will challenge five sets of immigrants
all living and working legally in the capital they’ve come from all over the
world each will be paired with a Brit who has strong views on immigration
so no Margaret and I have got that crunch question after spending time
together will the UK born think the immigrants are a gain or a drain on
Britain it’s judgment time before deciding they’ll judge the impact on
work we was born in this country so therefore we should get a look in first
I can take it someone who doesn’t know nothing about it about the job how they
live so it’s a big house we are 20 to live here there look at the impact on
health care do you have any idea of the cost of this operation and schools I
wouldn’t send my children to school as diverse as this and they’ll take a look
at social integration we just feel we’ve outgrown this this area we don’t belong
here anymore I’m Nick hewer and I’m Margaret
Mountford we’ve come to London to explore the impact of immigration on the
ordinary man in the street in our lifetimes immigration in Britain has
grown dramatically and this rapid rate of growth has ignited a national debate
people in our country are concerned about the pressures and the amount of
immigration in recent years and I share that concern we need to show we can act
on people’s concerns about immigration all the main political parties now say
they want to control immigration we’ve got to control the quantity and the
quality of who comes debris every day we read about immigration in
the papers daily but there are very different views but its impact on jobs
public services and communities surely an issue that is sharply divided the
country and over the last 10 years massive consistent immigration but
what’s the truth about that immigration is it a gain on the country or simply a
grave with more immigrants in the UK than ever before we’ve come to crunch
the numbers with political scientist dr. Scott blinder so who are the immigrants
in Britain and where are they coming from the leading countries of origin are
India still Poland now number two and actually Pakistan about 13% of the
population of the UK as a whole was born in another country and where have they
settled where’s this will spread the vast majority over 90% are in England so
how many migrants are in the UK at the moment it’s just under 8 million most
people come for either work or study so he’s caught you’re an American what was
your intention how long did you plan to stay well I had a four year fixed term
contract so I plan to stay three to four years I’m a long nine years later yes I
never envisioned staying here for this long
typical migrant mothers in the UK Margaret one-in-seven is an
immigrant in London it’s higher than that there’s three million immigrants
here that’s one in three so we’re in the right place there certainly are I think
we’re gonna learn a lot in the next few days we’ve paired five sets of UK born Brits
all highly critical of immigration with five sets of immigrants in the first
part of our experiment our Brits are going to look at the impact of
immigration on housing what it means to be British and jobs like those in the
UK’s construction and building industry my point of view is the foreign lads are
coming in and basically taking all of our jobs and undercutting us and stuff
like that the first Brit is 21 year old Jamie
since he left school he’s been working on short term contracts in the building
industry he lives at home in southeast London
with his father Andy who is also a builder we’ve got a problem with
immigration Emily we all know that the government’s let the floodgates open and
there’s a lot of immigrants in the construction industry the charity starts
at home first before letting other foreign countries come into this country
and take jobs of English people hello hello Jamie it’s nice to meet you
Jamie has ambitions to specialize in carpentry he currently does contract
work but feels he can’t get the training he needs to further his career so the
building trade what’s it like at the moment fairly hard because Oh foreign
that’s basically coming in taking the jobs as it were before the foreign lands
yeah from Europe why are they getting the job role of the new then say for
instance alright it’s 15 pound an hour they’ll drop it to eleven pan an hour
and the company’s laughing all day they’re making as much money as possible
there’s quite a few foreign companies out there at the moment that just
basically just employ all foreign force all the polish dads will stick together
you have words with them get on with and say hi and hello but they’re mainly all
always talking in their own language you don’t understand and I I don’t really
like it to be honest now just have a stab at what the percentage on the
building site is made up of in terms of migrant workers maybe 75 to 85 so the
skills the Jay Mian and his generation will in the sense almond diamond because
of where for them to work it was 75 85 percent foreign do you feel as a real
connection between the number of foreign workers coming in and the fact that you
can’t get out and get your own flat I basically want to move out with my
girlfriend this year but it’s hard they’re taking the jobs that they’re
taking there are places in flats and rentals as it were and there’s we just
don’t get it looking as it’s a joke Jamie is going to be paired with 41 year
old carpenter and business owner Mario’s one of over half-a-million polish-born
now living in the UK England was the dream all that my friends and me as well
like to come to England because was the better better life in England
mario’s came over ten years ago with no English he started at the bottom was an
unskilled laborer from the beginning working very hard so the salary was a
very low every night I thinking that maybe he’s wrong idea coming to England
six years ago he was joined by his younger brother Chris who had no skills
in building work everything was I think what I know now of their building I
learned in England yeah Marius is now joint owner of a bespoke carpentry and
furniture business in South London all four of his employees are from Poland so
what will Jamie make of Marius he thinks he’s losing out on jobs in the
building trade so the first thing he wants to know is why marius only employs
polish workers I’ve come here today basically to get some answers because I
feels very strongly about my point of view from a young construction worker
British bomb and trying to get a job it’s very hard out there and obviously I
want to see what this fellas got to say for himself really
you must be Marius nice to meet you especially some of the wood specialists
nice to meet you I found Jamie mate so how long you been over arrest them
they’re googling sushi you only been here six months see all the wood
specialist is it were yeah especially especially somebody finding it hard to
learn English to chance Chris you know what she in the car today no no no no he
was having Marius translate to me so that says it
obviously to come to this country you should at least have some sort of ink
to understand English or British you know but obviously it does piss me off
I’ve got there one more person to introduce is there my very good friend
from Poland he’s that teacher of this prank meet Marius
he’s a nice guy in that but obviously he’s only got Polish workers working for
him and from my point of view that’s not good in this country you’ve got some
sort of British born working for you because it’s not fair how comes you
haven’t employed in English workers basically for instance referees a wood
specialist while how comes yet to go all the way home to Poland to get a wood
specialist is not any good with wood specialists locally or in England not
the job have to be perfect in the finish so I can take it someone who doesn’t
know nothing about it about the job so that that I take it my
brother I take it the my friends what I know him from my point of view we was
born in this country so therefore we should get a look in first that’s what
I’m trying to say cuz no way Smith that is the free market so you yeah yeah so
yeah obviously I understand that but you got to sit from the company’s point of
view so they can get someone for 10 hand an hour 5 pound less than what I’m
getting and work like a horse and get spoken to like a piece of crap ie by the
foreman and obviously that makes us look bad when they can’t I was hurting them I
I’m starting on the carpentry company my salary quickly was there 151 97 on the
beginning so what about you Chris did you ago I get some 555 where our here
first thought that was the lowest money which you can get what I’m saying is
let’s come in from Eastern Europe and actually undercut Hoss because I’ve been
on loads of different jobs different firms and yeah undercut us and basically
take our jobs although Marius started off below minimum wage he now pays his
workers the going rate but for Jamie it’s not just about the
money I think that’s just crap to be honest that and he can’t find no one
young and English willing to learn this loads of people out there I’m one of
them and I’ve got loads of mates were willing to do stuff like that
it’s just giving trying to get the opportunity to get it sort of thing is
Jamie right ah immigrants taking jobs what are the big worries for the
ordinary guy on the street partly economics they’re just a straight
forward downward pressure on wages if you have a just economic common sense
you know you have a million people coming in as we did after 2004 when we
opened up to Eastern Europe many of them in aiming to do quite basic low-skilled
jobs even though many of them are actually quite well qualified there is
some job displacement obviously a lot of people who come here create jobs that
wouldn’t being created otherwise they complement existing workers it’s not all
about story by any means well we building up some pressure that’s
gonna cause us trouble in the future one of the problems with large-scale
immigration and the choice that it provides to employers small medium-sized
and large is that it tends to encourage some the worst tendencies in the British
economy with short-termism lack of investment lack of investment in
training I mean you know why train something you know a difficult school
leaver you know when you can just pluck off the
shelf somebody you may already have the qualification and you see this in the
Health Service 40 miles from London in southend-on-sea
excellent and ER and retired court clerk John has had personal experience of
immigrant workers in the health service I think overall immigration is a bad
thing for this country where my mother was in hospital she had a lot of
problems with people were clearly migrants from all parts of the globe who
had a different approach to care was sometimes come across as brusque now
understanding and quite apart from the language barrier and she felt like she
was in an alien world filipino rimmel came to london 13 years ago when as part
of an ongoing recruitment program between the UK and the philippines his
wife cherry was employed as a nurse to work for the NHS there was a recruitment
done in in the Philippines for registered nurses so my wife she came
over and started working in a care home rahmel was able to come to the UK as a
dependent on his wife’s skilled workers visa I was working for a congressman in
the Philippines and giving up my job to come to the UK was the risk and it was
scary rahmel now works in a home for people
with epilepsy and special needs one of the 60% of care work is in London who
were foreign-born I did not imagine myself to be working in the healthcare
sector but I would say most of the Filipinos we are caring you know by
nature what will John make of rimmel will he think he’s again or a drain
quite looking forward to meeting this gentleman that I’m going to say don’t
know what to expect but I’ve got a few ideas I mean I approached a lot of these
things in a very generic way which is mainly because of the media I suppose
people are here to take and not to give anything rahmel and his family live in
Norbury South London clearly it’s an area that’s got a population of very
diverse backgrounds multicultural certainly services that are for all
different religions backgrounds obviously is not an established English
area if you like Ramon’s home is part of a shared ownership scheme of which he
owns half Chery what what made you come to England in the first place I love to
travel yeah and then when this when this
opportunity came so I just grabbed it was there not jobs in the Philippines
yeah I was working there as a head nurse but the salaries that the same here no
15 times more more than more than even yeah she communicates very well if you
have people who we rely on you’ve got to be out of communicate with them and
especially if you’re in hospital when you’re vulnerable especially if you’re
dealing with old people who are vulnerable I’m very interested in what
you would think I think about immigration that migrant is going to
take on our jobs is going to be a burden to the health care yes three how do you
think it is in reality then talking about migrants getting the jobs we were
recruited so that means there was really a shortage here if indigenous British
are really keen of doing this health care you know um hotels the archer oh
yeah yeah what you’re saying is you’re taking jobs that people aren’t prepared
to do yes yes yeah yeah they don’t like dealing with Bloods they don’t like
wiping bombs you know they don’t like nothing about personal care well there
is that but my point is that there is a lot of
people coming here a lot of people coming um we basically if you put it
crudely we’re full up John is using migrant workers as a scapegoat you know
the what is happening in our society john wants to see what rimmel doesn’t
work the care home provides support to enable people with epilepsy and learning
difficulties to lead independent lives all right okay so what are we doing here
Mel all right okay Mel lives in Brighton and I would say
Mel is so proud of it the she is now travel trained to go to Brighton to
travel to Brighton on her own it would take even years just to achieve one goal
do you like it here yes yes is that okay if I borrow John for a sec yeah yeah
here we are Jane so how’d you find it here do you
like it yeah very good I see Thank You Jane thank you very much
Jane thank you Mel is great with the work that we do we always make sure that
you know when we are talking to our service users it is done not in a
threatening way so we don’t you know do it like that we are trained as
especially service it’s always I to eye contact so that those service users are
able to relate to us yeah when I see myself that one or two of our service
users are living independently because of the work that I did because of the
work that migrant my co-workers did you know I feel so like it’s an overwhelming
your feeling that you know I have contributed you know to the society
for this type of work someone in Rimmer’s position gets on average 19,000
pounds a year you’ve come from a different part of the world did you have
precisely the same training that would suit you to this work in precisely the
same way as somebody in the United Kingdom would have had that training one
of the reasons why they prefer hiring migrants to come and work in the UK is
because of the skill set that is already available to these people it’s really
top-notch my case for example I have completed my you know my university in
the Philippines and coming to the UK it’s not like I am going to start from
scratch there’s another issue here and that is language my mother was in a
hospital very seriously ill and I had a lot of trouble communicating with the
senior people in the world and the nurses who had language problems but
worse than that I saw her medical notes and I saw what was written down and I
had to get it corrected it would just be the same that there would be you know a
you know an indigenous British who would make the mistakes people in the UK
cannot even spell you know correct you know English I certainly learned a
little bit more about rimmel as a person through seeing where he works very
interesting to see where he works not an environment that I’m particularly for
mili ER with but I have been in similar places with my own relatives parents
grandparents that sort of thing I haven’t really changed my views in any
way at all 22 year old waitress Marilyn left France
a year ago to find work in the capital Marilyn is one of a growing number of
immigrants who make up over half the workforce in the restaurant and hotel
trade in London England the country of English people in English way and as
well because sometimes you need like learn to be independent
Marilyn works around 45 hours a week and earn seven pounds an hour plus tips you can find a job like this because
there is shop and fast food and about everywhere they mean I think they need
people to work Marilyn will be paired with 24-year old Michael from Romford
East London he’s been out of work for two years and receives jobseeker
allowance and Housing Benefit not being in work is is properly boring I’m
searching for a job so much now is he’s joining I’ve tried going for warehouse
work there’s nothing now I’ve gone for gardening I’ve tried I have a painting
if ever they do get back to their cell so you don’t feel the criteria I do
voluntary maintenance I’ll just go in there and I’ll just look
for things to do don’t really need to it just so I’m not bored then it’s the walk
line got bad and then the really boring day starts again I do thinking we’re
going to get a job faster than me because of the a much they charge
I don’t know how immigrants can work for such a little wage Michael is also
frustrated about the living conditions immigrants are prepared to put up with I
know as a fact immigrants cram myself into a house
there’s too many groups taking the properties that should be left for the
British people when they want to move out
Marylyn lives in a shared house in Northwest London with 19 other
immigrants this kind of sharing house you have to move and almost everything
you have to share the kitchen the kitchen the living room when we spend
most of the time that’s my room to save money
Marilyn shares her bedroom with her best friend a bell only one photo so it’s
like all my shoes are and it’s half enough which I make it practical so we
live our two birds and this one on the floor like this
we don’t have choice look football match at home and the away teams coming with a
fantastic plan and it’s just complete and utterly paid off for them it’s what
you saw it feels like you know if I can’t even win at home where am I gonna
win Michael is one of three hundred and thirty four thousand unemployed living
in London so how did Marilyn find work did you find it easy to get a job when
you arrive yeah more or less yeah yeah I was looking for my speciality in the
shoe strap my English was not so good I’ll do it here then I I went to find a
job in like a waitress in a tourist place like this and then I find really
quickly but you were flexible then because yeah you wanted to work in a
shoe shop you wanted to work in shoes but when you couldn’t find that then you
it’s interesting isn’t it Maryland that you found the job pretty quickly and yet
there are a lot of young English unemployed people who struggle you say
they struggle why what’s the secret of getting a job as quickly as you did make
sure you will find thank you that’s the famous sharpening Maryland’s boss has
thoughts of his own English people don’t want to work in the catering great if
you go at any hotel any restaurant in central London I think you were
difficult to find someone it’s English do you not get any British application I
think in 27 years maybe 10 people that’s all and how many have a good I employ
probably three or four what would you say to a young English person said I
can’t get a job I’ve tried and I’ve tried what would you say to them try
harder go Roma see these walk in and say look yeah I need a job here’s my number
is my phone number here’s my breasts that’s what that’s
what all the others do she’s prepared to live in a house sharing with 19 others
so it’s not essentially a luxury lifestyle but she’s young Margaret she’s
young she’s 22 year old kid and all the others are youngsters and actually
that’s what young people do that’s part of the fun and the excitement of living
in London I guess right she’s not complaining issue no she’s not
complaining but then why don’t we see groups of youngsters who are from other
parts of the okay coming and doing that good question
with rents in the capital now averaging 1,500 pounds a month Michael wants to
know how Maryland can afford to live in London what I understand is immigrants
can come to Great Britain and live for less which is enabling them to work for
less so it’s a big house 20 to live here and people from all around the world
right now it’s quite yet because everybody working most of the people in
those widowed are working like pretty much they are pure you know the
Cantonese guy now and this kind of shot the first thing he wants to find out is
how much rent she pays so how much of one of these runs sort of cost
I live with my best friend so we we shared the price every week so it’s
fifty five fifty five each I have to pay 100 ie a week it’s
expensive it’s more especially a lot expensive Michael believes many
immigrants happily work for less than the minimum wage so next he’ll quiz
Marilyn about her pay because your rent is over that that enable you to like
work for less wages they walk a lot and they get paid normally so how much would
you learn saying week 300 so on three hundred plus a week I could probably
live where I’m living and still live life as I’ve most probably want to is
that the same throughout the house yeah Oliver’s life starts for the minimum
wage because I was more or less under the assumption that you know immigrants
come over but they work for less and you automatically think that they might just
live for less as well they get to normal pain and now I’m able to know my wins
here I’ve got to go due to a government scheme work program that I’m on trying
to find work and you’ve got go to work I was just making notes I would be on
minimum wage just below it but the fact that she’s earning money that
the same money as jobs that I’ve applied for you know the is really weird of the
fact that she can I mean she must have loads of savings because she’s only
paying out 55 pound rent a week I mean I couldn’t cram myself into a house and
then just pay minimal rent that’s a little bit wrong but it’s not just jobs
and housing that matter it’s also the way we live the rapid transformation of
communities when new groups come in is a huge cause of concern for some people
you can see it’s difficult for people if their area is swamped by immigration
can’t you a large group of people from one particular ethnic group come in and
the nature of the area and the community changes yeah absolutely
they’ve grown up there suddenly their neighbors are all actually not mixing
with them the shops change the schools change and they feel sort of disposition
what they always thought they would grow up with suddenly changes sometimes late
in life retired couple Ted and Margaret have
lived in Ilford northeast London for more than 40 years their borough is the
fourth most ethnically diverse local authority in the country we’ve been here
40 odd years it’s changed dramatically when we first moved here the road was
predominantly indigenous white people there was probably five or six immigrant
families and since that period the numbers have gone completely the other
way around I think we’re at saturation point
there’s not been enough integration there’s no part for us here you
eventually come to the decision that you’re gonna have to join the white
flight and move out so what does immigration mean to you what you think
about immigration to you changed our way of life used to feel it was a there was
a community here and and has that changed yes obviously it has we’ve got
fine neighbors I mean we all get on will but it’s difficult toll conversations
with them because a lot of them don’t speak good English rather than the
pleasantries of good morning and how are you what does being part of a community
mean to you well for instance I wanted to start singing in a singing group and
for this part of ilford there would be nothing for me when we came here there
was a dance studio they were billiard halls I think the
billiard hall was gone the dance school was gone so in a sense then your
community’s been taken away strangers in your own land well you’ve got nowhere to
go to meet your natives friends and your neighbors yeah it’s about age as much as anything else
because here they are in the sort of final chapter of their lives feeling
that they didn’t belong anymore and that they’ve got to move they’ve got to move
into a community like in the old days Ted Margaret wanted to integrate but
they felt they couldn’t because of language and customs and and that’s
probably right it probably isn’t integrable in the sense that they mean
it’s not that there is a community that they’re excluded from it just as this
new community the largest migrant population in their local area comes
from Pakistan behind the cyclist a cyclist Cappuccio
she can’t reach it behind to further her career in education Nasim a former
school principal came over from Pakistan in 2009 on a highly skilled migrant visa this visa allowed husband raha to join
her three years later back in Pakistan I was
a principal of her school and it was a school from primary to GCSE so it was
there were more than 800 children at that time there were two three reasons
to bring me here number one my husband my spouse my wife was here and he was
struggling alone and in Pakistan there are several problems politically I’m a
person of a peace mind and I would like to embark in this country to live and
explore it as well so these were the reasons to
brought me here now they’ve invested all their savings
into starting up a business running an adult education college teaching among
other things English for speakers of other languages they live and work just
a short distance from Ted and Margaret 28 to 42 it’s interesting because this
isn’t the only language school down here the party one here is another one
further down Ted and Margaret feel esal or English language schools just
encourage more immigrants to their area makes ripples about language maybe when I believe they have quite
large government grants given to them and some of them aren’t all about fold
and there’s been fraudulent dealings going on so we will be interested to see
what’s happening here first they want to know what exactly is being taught at the
school just reading out the English courses there’s low F in UK course and
their citizenship course well it seems to me that this is all orientated around
people coming to stay and I’m not sure that the level of English that they are
going to teach to will be sufficient to integrate into our way of life hello hello next Ted and Margaret want to find
out how the school is being funded the students are here for citizenship
knowledge and they pay a fee now is that self funded or comes through a
government grant no it’s a self paid by the individual who take this test I
believe there is no category that they they are supported by the a public fund
or the government well the only source of income is from preparing people for
their citizenship qualification that’s paid for privately which I didn’t
understand I thought that was the government I will show you my whole
class yes yes hello although the majority of classes are
paid for by the students so today our topic is my family
raha tant Nasim also provide conversational English lessons free of
charge to immigrants from a variety of countries Megan also BR I’m very
interested interested to know about your family
my parents are in Albania my two brothers are in Albania yes Rubina
introduce yourself I came from Saudi Arabia so why did you move in this
country after Mary thank coming here to practice my job because of education
it’s really important to repay your country as a contribution as individual
therefore we have started English classes for those whom you can say they
copy and we’re your in-laws live if they lives in they living in the UK well
where main concern is that these establishments these English schools are
here predominantly to enable people to stay by getting them through the
citizenship qualification and this just means that they’re there compounding the
problem that we’ve already got there’s sufficient people here without using the
system to bring even more in unemployed Michael thinks immigration
has made it harder for him to find work so much that he was being invited I’ve
it’s weird he’s like loaning out a copy it’s too
easy but French waitress Marilyn doesn’t think he’s trying hard enough
for me there was a lot of job in London and probably is a bit lazy to find a job
to prove to Marilyn how tough it is Michael has invited her to Romford where
he lives to show her just how much effort he’s putting in to find work so
that’s Saitek over there another big big winner Michael does
almost all his job searches through ctek a government-funded welfare work and
skills training program so which kind of job did you upload for I’m basically
sort of just applying for the way a house so we’ve been two weeks you’re
doing a 68 application you pump myself up you think yeah it’s done I could
apply for that sounds really good but then three weeks later you you still
haven’t heard nothing why don’t you try to apply and another job be more
flexible like me like I I used to selling shoes and look Sarastro’s in
friends and I never been waitress now it’s easy for me I think I tend to fun
when I make myself more flexible I get more opportunities to come up and then
they just sort of never happened you do only online it’s better for a shop that
you go introduce yourself directly with the manager of the boss what do you
think if you try to apply in this kind of shop and you know nothing about these
sort of shops I don’t know nothing about these old organizations or businesses I
don’t want to be inside and closed in yes you know to understand why don’t get
job it’s because he’s looking for only in his speciality and you don’t want to
get any job anywhere did throwing this one yeah when Marilyn came
to the UK she got her first job through an agency she wants Michael to try the
same thing hi what can I do for you my friend Mike
I’m looking for a job exactly and what sort of work is that
you’re actually looking for Michael’s work warehouse where have you been to
agencies I used to be on the agency but just one agency you live locally so one
would assume that if you’re really proactive in looking for work you would
have registered with all the recruitment companies rather then you said to me
just registered with one maybe that you know you’re not being as proactive
locally as perhaps you could be being you know like you you’ve got we’re here
and you’ve not registered here before today I mean I’ve never really noticed
this I use I’d love the doorway I’m not usually looking up yeah Michael thing
that immigrates gets a vantage all gets a job in London is that true with
immigrants they’re perhaps more eager and perhaps a bit more flexible I think
you can probably learn some stuff from memory now it’s a good thing that you’ve
met I think because there you know she has had to get off the backside and just
do it for herself because there is nobody else here to help her to do that
and I mean I I think you have a bit of a confidence issue to be fair though yeah
I think yeah I think it’s someone needs to grab you by the collar and sort you
out that’s what I’ve been happen he was slightly embarrassing to just to just to
think well you’re shaken to it walk on I you know what am I doing wrong
makes me feel a little bit silly as well in a way concerns about the pressure on jobs
isn’t the only thing that worries some in southeast London 21 year old Jamie
thinks immigration is also putting the squeeze on housing he’s desperate to
move out of his dad’s and into a place of his own with girlfriend Becks
and that’s my bedroom and obviously this is dad’s bedroom as you can see it’s
very close together so that can be a factor obviously when we want to get out
of this house and underneath my father’s feet with the London attracting more
immigrants than anywhere else in the UK they feel competition for housing has
increased crowded I think where a lot of people come over to the UK so obviously
it’s the land of opportunities but that leaves people who are from London in a
massive problem because the people who are landlords and I don’t blame them
that gives them the right to park their rent because they know that as there’s
automatic desire to live in those areas and they know that they will get the
rent but is better right Jamie who lives out in southeast London has come to
upmarket Fulham near the center of town he wants to check out the flat which
polish carpenter Marius rents in the area seems quite posh around there to be
honest and the perception I got on Eastern Europeans wouldn’t live in such
nice areas I thought they lived in sort of ghettos as it were in all crammed
together and yeah it seems rather nice around there there’s my my wife Barbara Mario’s his wife and three-year-old son
have lived in their one-bedroom flat for three years
this is no it’s not so this is the kitchen
no is the kitchen yes Simon what do you do for a living if you don’t want me
asking I yeah I work in two days a week I mean I
am cleaner so I am self-employed I pay the tax
everything yeah no that’s that’s bang on the money off really uh I think that’s a
good good good thing so obviously this is your living room
yeah and you say it’s a one-bedroom flat is this where you sleep as well yeah it
was sleeping on the disks offer it’s very easy to make it Beth very quick
it’s like that like that and that’s it there’s a house bet so how much a month
do you pay he surrounded 900 pounds 900 pounds yeah is expensive they’re new so
regarding the way Marius lives he’s forty or forty plus he lives in a
one-bedroom flat he sleeps in the front room with his wife while we an obviously
has the bedroom and they pay to me what I think is quite extortion at 900-pound
I I wouldn’t do it but obviously where he’s from another country yes to deal
with it so is the readiness of immigrants to pay
for whatever accommodation they can get to blame for rising rents and housing
shortages so you’ve been doing some research into the impact of immigration
on housing in the UK is that right that’s right immigrants come in from
Eastern Europe they obviously need somewhere to live that demands housing
and you know if you don’t increase the supply there’s going to be pressure from
that I mean the housing situation is problem is more acute in in London but I
think that’s being caused primarily not by a by immigration here it’s just been
a failure to build enough houses you know the population of London in the
last 20 years has increased by 15 15 percent but you know we’ve been
struggling to build enough housing to really keep pace with that so prices
keep on spiraling up and you know everyone finds it a terrible struggle it’s Michael’s last day of the
experiment with Marilyn he wants to experience the work she does before
deciding if she’s a gain or a drain on Britain first he’s going to meet
Marilyn’s boss I’m also really excited about it don’t wanna mess it up Michael
have you ever tried to get a job in McDonald’s or Kentucky Fried Chicken
I’ll put it in my head that if I go into McDonald’s now yeah I’m so over
qualified to notice it don’t think I’m worth more than I worry about that I
don’t think you’re qualified because you’re thinking overqualified you’ve
never been a good job because you think you’re too good to work there and I
think these some of these girls here they they’ve been after six months or a
year or longer they’ve got degrees others dr. michael
hasn’t worked for over two years he feels he lacks confidence and gets
nervous when dealing with customers so he starts with the basics don’t break
anything please but soon gets promoted to front of house with me so I know you
could be nervous to go with customer so you can see how I do
hello you okay are you ready to order a large coke sure
collage Fanta yes sure you just come here to find a job we work
out and you can work out like us it can do what only the confident problem and
now is see is so but it’s so himself that he can do it even in two minutes
you get more comfortable with the paper so that’s really nice
so your product yourself are you happy or very proud of myself yeah I didn’t
think I was going to be as interactive as awards I’m definitely gonna you can
be wonderful it’s over now don’t get charged by call cards that all right
I think before I thought that immigrants were a drain on society if you like but
now I’ve met Mary Lynn and I’m seeing her shares deliver life and the fact
that I’ve learnt more bad I definitely think that it’s a game in all honesty I
don’t think I don’t see any problems of it anymore
later Michael may have changed his views but John continues to think immigration
is a drain and it’s not just the influx of migrants taking jobs that concerns
him he thinks it’s threatening the British Way of life
nothing always tastes better when you’re having fish and chips on the seaside
yeah why is that it’s all in the mind John wants to show rimmel what he thinks
it means to be British so he’s invited him to his hometown of
South End Bishop’s is traditionally English by the seaside the other things
yeah you know buying a beer so funfairs I’m walking along the front
or we say the promenade I mean all of this the pier the Y coming out here
seeing what we’re seeing look at the old buildings he’s a typical English sort of
saying and it’s that sort of thing that I want to preserve and you feel that
with all the things have been talking about that’s sighs under threat it’s
gonna change and I don’t necessarily feel but that’s a good thing but we talk
about you know being British you know I’m just I’m just like thinking you know
let’s say football we think football is like an English you know game but it’s
not it is a Chinese game that was you know brought to to us in in in the UK
Prince Philip husband of the Queen of England Greek great well he wasn’t the
same as every average citizen coming in I’m thinking of the tea it’s like you
know the – yeah absolutely China and all things from oh we were
involved with all around the world form the society we’ve got to die that
doesn’t mean that I think that change is good for China she’s site D by itself
coming to Britain you have no problem with that but when we equate tea as
Chinese people coming to the UK you won’t like it I don’t mind a few yes
yeah mind a reasonable number yeah but my
objection to it is the sky oh and the effect it’s having when I was still in
the Philippines I have friends who have come to London when they learned you
know I will be coming to to the UK instantly you know what they said you
know no don’t go there you know why I go to London why go to England it’s such a
racist country when I came over here that completely changed what I see in
Britain is completely embracing in a multiculturalism say this is where
people like myself feel we’re not really understood because I don’t disagree with
the multicultural influence in fact you could argue if you didn’t have it what a
boring place we’re living you know I’m not suggesting we live like we lived in
the 1920’s 1930’s aying that what Arthur I believe is that we have to make sure
things aren’t under threat I think it’s interesting from ales view about
diversity effects in Britain and he seems to be very keen on change thinking
it’s all a good thing well maybe it’s my background of my
experience but I don’t think it is all the good thing I’ve said that all along
I think there’s a mine difference really John is one of the minority of the
British born people who are having these views but I am really hopeful that you
know before we end this you know this experiment that John would have changed
his views on on migrants in Ilford northeast London retired
couple Ted and Margaret are showing their semen rahat the changes to their
high street shops it’s been here since we come about 40 years they’ve been here
there was Baker’s there was a couple of Baker shops down here green grocers now
this this selection of vegetables we’d find it very difficult to know what to
do with them I mean we don’t recognize your vegetables most of the vegetables
that are sold in the stores well this is the first time I’ve ever been in a store
quite we wouldn’t recognize any of those and this is the problem that we’ve got
that we don’t feel that there’s only thing here that we recognize yeah hello
meat and fish and poultry well we wouldn’t choose to buy hello truly it
would be against their principles that’s the only meat sold round here so we we
just wouldn’t be meat eaters so we just feel that we’ve outgrown this this area
we don’t along here anymore would like to integrate and especially
we would say that how the ischium shops are here equally there should be few of
the shops for the local native Britons as well we understand their concern and
we really understand their feelings I think it’s really hard for us to listen
this type of conversation from the natives well halfway through this
experiment now we’ve looked at jobs and housing and we started to explore what
it means to be British yes we’ve seen Michael already change his mind on the
question of immigrants taking jobs but do you think the others are going to
change their minds Jamie and John still seem pretty convinced that immigration
is a drain on Britain but they fill got to look at schools NHS and the whole
question of religion so it’s a long way to go before they can take a decision
next time we meet Kiran and Mohammed we want accepted the bar baths on the
British culture we want to get the brits investigate the impact of immigration on
the NHS the system is all wrong I can’t see how
we can keep doing this they look at schooling I wouldn’t send my children to
school as diverse as this and they delve deeper into what it means to be British
I have a big issue with people who teach their children another language as a
first language I disagree with that in the end will the Brits think immigration
is a gain or a drain it’s judgment time the crunch question you

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