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Ride Your Mountain Bike With A High Saddle | GMBN How To

November 4, 2019


– Right, yes, you did read
right in that thumbnail and that’s how to ride with
your saddle at full mast height. ‘Cause us dudes at the GMBN
are all about the dropper post and telling you how great it is. How to get it down, out of the
way when you’re descending, when you’re going out in
rough stuff and all that. But we never talk about
the old, trusty seat post. I learned the hard way. I
learned to have it up high. So I’m gonna show you a few ways, how to ride with your saddle up high. Let’s go. (upbeat jazz music) Okay, this is tip number one, before you drop into the trail, just lower that saddle height
by a half an inch or an inch. I’ve lowered it by an inch, just to give you that
little bit more clearance between your backside and your saddle, especially when you wanna
get up off the saddle and shift your weight over the back wheel when your descending. So when you’ve lowered
it that much don’t worry because your pedal efficiency
is gonna be the same when climbing and on the flat roads. (upbeat jazz music) (sighs) Right. Thing is when your having your riding, your saddle up high
like this at full mast, your riding style will change. When I have my saddle
slammed on my drop post, quite low down, I let my
body bounce around the bike, super aggressively, I can throw it about, be nimble, all that jazz. But having your saddle up high, my riding position changes a lot. My body weight, my torso, I lower it. So it kind of matches my top tube and I’m quite precise and
I’m thinking a lot more where to put my body weight,
on the bike, out on the trail. What I do know is, that I do
use my saddle to push grip and my body weight
through to that back wheel or through down to the wheels or through to my bottom bracket to find a little bit
more grip on the trail. Especially if it’s like a little g, a little force like here,
see this little dip? I would sit down, lower
my outside foot, sit down, push on my saddle, let my body
weight bounce on that saddle to keep that body weight and that grip on my tires through the trail. It’s interesting, it’s different. (upbeat jazz music) Wow. Look how sexy my bike looks
with a high seat post. Look at it. Look at it, it’s like built for a mission, I’m gonna conquer this mountain. Alright, anyway enough of that, let’s talk about cornering
because that’s the next thing. And I quite like having a high
saddle when doing cornering because kinda sit into it
to transfer my body weight through the seat post, down into my pedal, and on to my back wheel and get as much grip down to that wheel in a turn as possible and kind of push out
through to the next turn. Not saying you’re gonna
just sit on your saddle and just bounce away and
get through enjoying it. That’s enjoying it too much
and it’s not cost effective, you’re not gonna get enough pump, enough speed to carry out
through down the trail. Also, when I find myself
stood up over the bike and my legs are kind of way more stretched and it’s pushing my body
weight over the front and I haven’t got enough grip in the rear when I’m doing a turn. So, I find sitting down slightly, to get as much weight
down to that rear wheel to get more grip is cost effective so you can carry on through the trail. (upbeat jazz music) Alright, when it comes
to another technique of sitting down into your high saddle is when you come to a flat turn like this and you’re coming in quite fast, so you wanna get as much grip
down to your toes as possible and being stood up over the
front end, I always say, there’s not enough weight
on the rear to get grip. So, I kind of sit back into the saddle, put my foot out and just let that saddle, sit into that saddle to
transfer all my body weight through to that rear
wheel to get maximum grip on this kind of
non-existent, burmed corner, then down there into the trail. Oh man, and to be quite honest, sat down on your saddle foot out, makes me feel so moto, feels good, feels aggressive, feel
like I’m in control. Sat back, in an arm
chair, being aggressive. Sat in an arm chair, being aggressive. Sounds good, let’s keep going. (upbeat jazz music) Right, perfect having the
saddle up when climbing, ’cause it makes it super comfortable. You can sit forward and stuff like that, but when the trail gets rough like that, having the saddle up is (laughs) It gets a bit shaky, it
gets a bit loose as well, because that saddle is gonna
be bouncing up into your bum, it’s gonna be pushing your weight forward over the front of your bike. When you’re descending, you don’t want your weight over the front, you want it all over the back. This brings on to line choice. You gotta pick your line very wisely. So, it’s all about line choice, so you gotta pick the nice, smooth line to stop that saddle
from bouncing up around. I can see a number of lines here. I can see the outside line,
I can see a center line, I can see a high line. The high line, the beginning
of it is a lot of roots. It’s gonna be rough. The down side, this side
here, is quite smooth, but I’m scared I’m gonna
clip my pedal on this. The only choice I’ve
got, I wanna do actually, is to go over this old stump right here. What one can predict is that
when I lift up my front tire, my rear wheel’s gonna hit that and it’s gonna be pushing my front, my back wheel up and the
saddles gonna come up and it’s gonna bash me in the backside. Moving on through the trail. So, I think that’s gonna be
the hard, the roughest bit, a bit of a sketchy bit. Now, there’s two line choices, basically there’s three, I can see. ‘Cause you got the outside
one, you got a middle one, and you got the right hand side one. For me, I’m gonna go right. It looks smooth, there’s a lot more roots, but it’s smoother,
where as the middle here has a little bit more
rougher roots, bigger roots. The outside one here has a big drop, so I’m gonna keep my wheels on the ground through this section here and into that next turn. (upbeat jazz music) Okay, there you go, there’s
a drop, there’s an obstacle, there’s a jump, now that’s daunting. When jumping having your
saddle quite high up. Oh I recommend if you’re
gonna hit any obstacle, dirt jumps, whatever, trail
flat tabletops, whatever. I recommend just slamming that saddle. It’s gonna be better, it’s gonna be safer, ’cause you don’t want that
saddle hitting you in the bum, sending you way over the front, in the air and your doing this and you land like this or it just throws you over the bars. That’s not cool. It’s scary, it’s horrible, it’s unsafe. So, you need to adopt a
different body position with a high saddle when
it comes to obstacles such like this little drop
right here in front of us. What you wanna do is
have your elbows bent, you wanna get into that little
bit of a press up position, you wanna bring your torso
quite low to your bike. So you’re bringing it quite
level with your top tube. That brings your body weight
quite central to the bike, plus you wanna let the lip, you wanna let the take
off do all the work. You wanna bring in that
bunny hop technique to clear the obstacle as well, but it’s all about keeping
your body weight quite central to the bike, you don’t
want it to be too far back, ’cause that’s gonna
send you over the front. You don’t want it too far forward, because that’s still gonna
throw you over the front, especially if the lip
is a little bit sharp, it’s gonna hit that back wheel
and send you over the bars. (upbeat jazz music) Whoo, I got a few tips on how to ride with your saddle quite
high up into your backside, but your riding technique does change. Hopefully these little tips help you out when riding your saddle at full mast. Just remember, when you’re
gonna hit some jumps, please I can’t stress it
enough, lower that saddle, ’cause it is quite dangerous,
it’s not very safe. And also when you’re at
the top of the trail, it doesn’t take much, undo it,
lower it as much as possible, get that saddle away from you, ’cause you’re gonna be a
little bit more comfortable out on the trail. If you are worried,
maybe sketch it, mark it, so you can put it back up
when you get to the bottom to the right height. So, hopefully these all helped you out. If you wanna see another
video, please click over here. If you’re thinking of
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  1. If you ride a hardtail on a budget, like a gt timberline 2.0 on blue and black diamond trails, you kinda learn how to ride with a high seat post. Dropper post are nice to have but you don't need it.

  2. So dropping my seatpost 1"? I don't think I will have the same power when pedaling and fear suffering lower back pains and when racing 8-14 hours will it actually help?

  3. Yet another super useful GMBN vid. 👍🏻 I'm just getting into MTB and rocking a Specialized Pitch with no dropper, horrible skinny forks & XC geometry. 🤮 Getting me fit though and it's enough to get me down the blue lines. 🤟🏻

  4. Am i the only one thats mastered the art of opening the quick release on the fly? open it, raise seat and pinch with knees, then close it.

  5. ??? You guys are usually all over it, but this one was almost comical. Step one…lower your seat an inch. That absolutely going to affect pedal efficiency, or why even concede that there's a "maximum efficiency" height for the saddle? It's a big part of being fit correctly for any bike. Second…if you're going to stop to drop the seat before descending, which is how everyone use to do it anyway, then why only lower it an inch? Why not slam it all the way down?

    And third…cornering speed will go down dramatically, and any steep rock sections are going to be dicey regardless of how well you maneuver behind the seat without the ability to use body english. Sure..you PICK the easier line, but that doesn't always work out, and you can't adjust quickly with the seat up. Much bigger crash risk for OTB especially.

    Love the channel…did not love this particular video. Slower in the corners, more dangerous in the chunk, and other than a TINY jump, I want no part of jumping. So basically….if you want to NOT enjoy riding your bike on the descents and coast down them, leave the saddle up and get an XC bike. That's what I took away from this….

    Basicallly…this was an ad for why you WANT A DROPPER POST ON YOUR BIKE!!!

  6. Hey guys I've actually tried this and cannot believe how scary it is from turning a tight corner to steep rock gardens if you want to play a game with your mates this can be very entertaining cheers to you all 🍻

  7. Honestly, I you haven't got a dropper you are 1, riding cross-country or 2, should buy a dropper.

    And for XC you shouldn't lower your seatpost from the correct pedalling position as this would be a sure way to get knee-pain from any longer ride. GMBN should really make video for XC riders (with an XC-bike) without a dropper-post and stress line-choices.

  8. how to ride with high seat step by step:

    1st open your seat post clamp

    2nd lift the seat post as high as you can

    3rd close the seatpost clamp

    4th ride your bike 🚲

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  10. How to ride with a high saddle.
    1 – Slam your saddle into the frame.
    2 – Save, beg, borrow, steal for a dropper post.
    3 – See '1'

  11. My XC hard tail came fixed but I fitted a dropper.
    Thing is I then found my legs can't take the bent knee bouncing along stuff for long so I sit down again. It's very different to standing high which I can do for much longer.
    So most of the time it's up anyway and I just get used to riding it that way.

  12. I must be old. I still ride with a standard set post, have people forgot how to ride? Dropper post have not been out that long have they.

  13. If my pedal efficiency climbing and out on the flats is the same after lowering the saddle one inch, why would I put it back up?

  14. Hi Mr. Blake, after the 'hardtail' and this 'seatpost up' video, it's now time for the real thing:

    Please show us how high you, Darkfest master, can bunny hop, how deep you can drop to flat and how far you can jump on a rigid bike with the saddle at full height – no inch cheating again.

    Don't use an unbreakable Dirt Jumper like bike, but maybe an old XC-race steel steed. Do not bend it! Maybe use a rigid Fat Bike.

    As a result it would become obvious, what difference a techy modern bike makes and what a skilled rider can do on a easy peasy rigid one.

    # ask GMBN

  15. Something I don't see a lot from this channel is the budget category. And by budget I mean a proper $700 bike without too many bells or whistles if any at all. There is a disconnect between the issues I have with my static saddle position than GMBN and their dropper posts, so glad to see this vid. It'd also be a cool idea to show differences between a frugal bike and a budget or even a nice bike, ie rim brakes vs mech disc and hydraulic disc.

  16. Great topic! I'm always keeping the saddle pretty high because I spend most of my time riding on the road. A low saddle just feels like a lot of inefficient strain. Maybe if I nudge it down a bit more each time I'll get used to spending more time standing to pedal.

  17. So tips on how to ride with a high saddle which I applaud the channel for providing info on all possible aspects of the riding experience; however two seemingly obvious questions come up that would have been useful to answer. When and why riding with a full saddle would be beneficial? Specific trails? Peddling efficiency? Keep up the great work!

  18. I just killed my Dropper, saddle play just got too much. No cash for 'just get another one' so I'm back at the old post. Shame, but I ride saddle up almost always anyway. Living in the Hollands, we just don't have enough descents, I hardly ever need to drop it. This wrecked the post a bit too…. Still I feel bad for having to abandon it. It's a supernice bit of kit… basically, I'm stuck in topped out mode but it's not too bad, I can still kill the local trails.

  19. FINALLY!!! I've been waiting for this video since forever, but I've never thought Blake would be the one to do it. 🙂 Great job. Now do "How to bunnyhop with seat up".

  20. You could just buy a quick release and drop your saddle at the top of the hill. Even if you use strata you will gain speed, because of the confidence

  21. Hi guys. me and my mates have to make an Ad for school and we're going to make a "you gotta wear a helmet add". to get a better mark and to have some professional support, can you guys please say that you agree fully to wearing a helmet on the trails so that we can say in our ad that we've got official support from GMBN to wear a helmet? Thanks.

  22. i ride with a high seatpost all the time i lower it a little before a ride if i am doing more aggressive riding

  23. if you have a high seat tilt your pedal so your heel is pointing towards the floor as it keeps your weight over the back wheel and pushes your bike threw the trail

  24. I can't believe people could ride bikes off road before the invention of the dropper post based on these comments.

  25. Hi Blake, The video is cool but maybe you'll compare the same place, same corner etc. dropper post video. Thank you

  26. I love GMBN videos and have watched for at least a couple of years. This is easily my favorite video yet. Good explanations, Blake! I come from a more 'moto' background, so I really appreciate the mention of not really sitting on the seat but bracing it in the turns as you put weight through the pedals. Combine that with learning "position 2" (ass behind the seat, almost bellying the seat, while using the torso to keep some weight up front) and you have a solid technique for most situations. My next bike will probably incorporate a dropper but for now, that is not an option, but I still do some pretty severe terrain and pedal with a strong base using a fixed saddle and similar techniques. It works surprisingly well!

  27. I'm still on a regular post sadly and I kinda believe it gives you good skills for when you have a dropper. Weight management is one of the biggest ones. If you can do it on a regular post, then when you get on a dropper, then you'll be a master already

  28. Great tips. People forget that a basic bike and good skills are all you need for speed. Though I'm not a fan of "foot out" with a fixed seatpost because the leg on the pedal doesn't have enough knee bend to handle unexpected bumps and limits body position. I'd rather keep both feet on pedals at 3 and 9 o'clock and use body shifts to control bike lean and tire weighting without lowering seat post at all.

  29. Can't understand some of the negative comments , once upon a time this is how we all had to ride, and on bikes that were effectively modified road bikes. If we hadn't the tech wouldn't have moved on to where it is now, don't get me wrong I wouldn't want to ride without a dropper post but not everyone can afford all the kit straight away. This video is obviously aimed at them and so I don't see the problem 👍

  30. Nice Video! I use your tipps to ride my city bike more aggressive 😀 On my freerider the saddle is as low as possible otherwise it feels not confident.

  31. Why is is that every bike you guys ride on this channel is full squish? How about you guys do a video on riding full rigid bikes with no dropper. I say this because some of these skills would be different from one bike to another.

  32. As said already I'd like to see this done on a hardtail with seatpost high, wonder if bing bong would walk away with a much higher pitched voice ??

  33. Hey guys! I'm new to the sport and just bought my first hardtail. And I am wondering what you people think about suspension seatpost? Sounds like a cheap upgrade to me, or is it? Absolutely love your channel!

  34. Can you do a video "how to ride with a low saddle". And also "how to sit on a low saddle aggressively". And also maybe "how to sit down and push low down on a low saddle aggressively without Mum having to do an extra wash"….

  35. This how-to video would have been best made by a world cup XC racer who does not use a dropper. Blake is very obviously a non-believer.

  36. Thanks Blake that help heaps as I’m a cross country races and don’t want a dropper post. When you have the opportunity can you make a video with Nino on how he rides with the saddle high. That would be sick!!!👍👍🤙🤙 Keep them amazing vids coming boys!!!

  37. Guys I’m an xco racer. I’ve learnt to ride with the saddle high and it’s not that hard. I’ve have had a dropper for a few months now and haven’t gained much speed. I feel safer and some bits feel a little faster however I don’t want to become reliant on it and I’ve gotten a bit lazy with my riding which haven’t been fun. I feel the major benefit of it for a xc racer is it’s safer and you can be more efficient on some courses and it can get you out of trouble. I feel the extra weight dose have an effect on the bike especially when accelerating and climbing. I actually want to go back to fixed now.

  38. My tip is if you have a quick release sadle post, learn how to drop it and raise it manually when riding. It's a bit fiddly but practice and grease goes a long way

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