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Pulling A Heard Bull Away From His Cows In Early Season

August 14, 2019

alright guys we’re just getting
everything going here alright looks like live on Facebook live
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Sanders mile high no game calls what’s up buddy Jeremy C Evans oh six hunting
for Christ good evening Jake Holly I’m doing well how are you
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Enriquez welcome welcome live on YouTube and glad to be here
Keaton Chancellor good evening bonito good evening
heading to Park City yeah I figured you guys were would already be over there
you got callers meeting bright and early tomorrow morning and then have to jump
up on stage so bonito I’m finally able to make it again Brian Jaipur Draper
checking him from Florida is it September yet god I wish it was so big
skinny excited for tonight hey it was great chit-chatting with you earlier
today so Steve preziosi Scott Schmidt Mike Boyd Nicholas curry wags 94 Caleb
Newton all right we have a bunch of people in here so we will give it until
7:30 to and we’ll get started apparently last week I upset some people
because I had the title of the video and they were graciously to let me know that
I did not even talk about that subject until 30 minutes in so tonight’s title
for the video is pulling the herd bull away from his cows in early season so
we’re gonna jump right into that one first and then we’ll cover all the other
questions so Larry been affirmed John Day is here
over the hill hunter bilberry good evening
Caleb Newton I am doing well bud how are you so alright guys I was also told last
week I took six minutes until really got into
it so we’re two minutes in here we go hey everybody my name is Michel Batease
with the Elk Calling Academy and this is Wapiti Wednesday Q&A if this is your
first time tuning in tonight welcome we’re glad you’re here the way
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so tonight the first question or topic is how to pull a herd bull away from his
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Cristian Epps I have a rut tag in Arizona and I have no clue how to call
I’m stressing where should I start let’s table that one we will get into that let
me take care of this other one first so got to appease the crowds right so okay
so Jake Ollie asked what is the best way to get a herd bull away from his cows in
early season so it really kind of goes with everything else that we do
throughout the year and that we’ve talked about throughout the season so
those bulls are rounding up the gear or the cows for breeding so the best way to
really work a herd bull is remember we’ve talked about the breeding sequence
before it attracts breeding age bulls so why not do that breeding sequence
basically what’s to happen that herd bull is gonna recognize the sounds that
you’re doing he’s gonna recognize the story that you’re telling the picture
that you’re painting over there and basically he’s gonna go hmmm that bull
over there has a hot cow he’s gonna loop through his cows real quick and all of a
sudden fine well I don’t have a hot cow but he does so it’s almost like that
Bulls sitting there going wait a minute that dude over there has ice cream I
don’t have any ice cream I want some ice cream
so that’s the mentality that he kind of has I don’t have a hot cow he has a hot
cow I want to breed that hot cow so he’s going to venture away from his cows and
come over to you now obviously your setup is key if you’re trying to do this
from a quarter mile away or half mile away it’s not gonna work but if you’re
in that zone if you’re in you know 150 yards 125 yards from that bull he will
feel comfortable leaving his cows for a little bit especially if he thinks that
he has an opportunity to come over and breed that hot cow and with you doing
your bull vocalizations that’s kind of matching him or staying just below he
also has that confidence that you know what I can go over and take that hot cow
away from that bull and not only breed her but bring her back and make her part
of my crew so so J there you go how do you pull a herd bull away from the cows
early in the season you still do the breeding sequence you guys have heard me
say it that I do that breeding sequence whether it’s day one of the season or
the last day of the season it does not change so the only thing that changes is
kind of what I do in each encounter and you guys that are part of the patreon
page you guys got a video last week that kind of showed all that with some
tutorials and some interactions so all right there we go
we covered the title topic right off the get-go so Christian Epsom read it before
I have a rut tag in Arizona and I have no clue how to call I’m stressing where
should I start so really Christian there’s a lot of
avenues you can go what I would recommend is go to the elk calling
Academy YouTube page and on there look for the playlist that cut is called the
beginner’s guide to elk calling that will get you going with selecting the
right diaphragm read get you going with some drills now it is kind of a short
time between now and the season you may not master a diaphragm read so you
definitely may want to look into an open read cow call and enix
I’ll rebuke all also so that way you have something that you can produce elk
sounds with and call with while you’re learning that diaphragm read so always
have that backup plan always have that contingency plan now even if you become
really effective on a diaphragm read an open read cow call is still a great tool
to carry I use them and in fact this year I’m gonna use them a lot more than
I have in the years past just because I kind of went away from it a little bit
but then going back and watching some videos of bulls responding those those
open read cow calls I’m really shaking my head and wondering why I went away
from it in the first place it just this the the sound the pitch everything they
just really really liked it so so Kristin there you go
beginner’s guide to elk calling on YouTube from the out calling Academy
will get you kind of going in the right direction definitely tune into Wapiti
Wednesday Q&A s if you want more tutorials you can actually go to elk
calling academy.com there is a monthly subscription on that
of fifteen dollars a month but there’s all kinds of tutorial videos in there
that will teach you all of the vocalizations how to do them what they
mean and also give you some hunting strategies alright Michael Hamilton
great topic Shaun King good evening sir great topic is I only hunt the pre-rut
early rut there you go Jai Kali we got taken care of so Nicholas Currie can you
do that sequence yes I can if you’re willing to become a patreon member so
remember guys there is stuff that I do have paid members and lessons and on
that and let me just bring this up because I had this question and
approached to me in an email the other day is we were talking about different
scenarios and sequences and this and that and the individual was asking me
and I kind of gave some vague information and they immediately rifled
back why can’t why does it have to be a secret why can’t you just tell me how to
go kill an elk perfect I got to talking to the guy he’s an electrician I asked
him to come over to my house and put a new ceiling fan up in my master bedroom
he told me he could give me a quote nice well no I just want you to come do it
and he says well I went to school and I would studied and I trained okay guys
that’s what my 30 years in the mountains has been that 30 years in the mountain
has been my time my training my learning so that’s why I have no problem you know
answering some questions but there definitely is you know quite a bit of
the information that I do you know share I’ve earned that knowledge just like
somebody with a trade or skill has earned that skill so michael maier good
evening so Jeremy from Instagram can you glunk with a read I don’t carry a bugle
tube or tap it on my hand yes you can and basically it’s you just want to say
wit wit whip so you’re barely making contact on the read and you are kind of
adding your voice into it to get that base now obviously with a tube and in
Jeremy if you don’t want to carry you tube because it is too big or this or
that go check out the game changer go to bendable comm bendable products its
bendable comm check out the game changer it’s four inches long you can bugle with
it it will add a little bit of depth and if you want something that you can
easily carry in your pocket but then also bugle with that game changer is a
great addition to add so Shaun King paying $15 a month is a bargain for the
knowledge weekend on patreon page I appreciate that in fact hey guys
tomorrow night is the next patreon live Q&A I’ll put a post in on the page
tomorrow morning so think about your questions and topics that you want to
cover now and throw that in thank you I understand yet Nicholas I just get asked
a lot so you give me this the tutorials on East Scouting alone is worth the
price of patreon especially that favorite East Gauteng tool
that is a goldmine I love that thing Michael you still do in private lessons
or everything on patreon yes I am still doing private lessons in fact I just did
one tonight right before this and I have another one tomorrow
slots are kind of starting to fill up we’re kind of getting into that year so
yes still do the one-on-ones you do not have to live here if you are out of the
area we do the one-on-one using zoom video conference so we can kind of just
get face to face like this so to do to do to do Nimrod how far will they change
location from summer range to winter range we have located and good this
summer but how can they move – Rhett well so you want to know how far they’ll
go from their summer range to their breeding area not necessarily their
their winter range you know it all depends I mean some Bulls have you know
seen five six seven miles some half a mile it just really depends on
topography and this and that and that’s where hunting the same area year after
year after year again is it’s an advantage because you learn all that
information you learn those breeding zones you will learn those running zones
but also – right now when your summer scouting in fact I think let me let me
look I think there was a question the kind of tape ties in with that a little
bit so yeah so okay so Nimrod western contours guy kind of asked the same
thing elk movement from summer grounds or scouting – rutting areas finding elk
at a point a in june/july doesn’t mean they’ll be there come the autumn equinox
general rules so out of state so okay so I’m gonna kind of hit both of these at
the same time so if you’re out scouting and you’re finding animals right now
you’re finding the Bulls you know where the Bulls are hanging out up high
start working the mountain at different elevations looking
or those rutting signs and you know those old rubs those wallows areas that
you can tell there’s been rut activity there before now that’s not to say that
that bull that is hanging out higher up on the mountain above that that that’s
going to be that bowl that comes into the rutting area but that’s going to
tell you where they are going to be when they start reading they’re gonna go
basically what’s gonna happen is they’re up in the higher elevation they’re gonna
break apart from their bachelor groups establish their back their pecking order
and then they’re gonna work down low on the mountain to where the cows and
calves are they’re gonna gather the cows and calves and then they’re gonna come
back up into that breeding area and each bull will take his cows back to the
breeding area they have spots that they like to feel comfortable and that’s
where the satellite bulls that are hanging around these herd bulls that you
know once that herd bull is harvested or you know dies from old age or whatever some of those satellite Bulls sometimes
can come in and then take over that breeding area so it’s almost like
passing the torch and going on in generation so really the best thing to
do is once you find elk at higher elevation I typically stay out of that
higher elevation at that point and I will start working lower elevations on
the mountain looking for these breeding pockets looking for this sign that tells
me you know that’s where the rut is going to hang out so let’s see so is
pulling a bull away like when I asked you to go out for a beer not quite and
technically you haven’t asked me to go out for a beer in quite a long time but
maybe we should do that I know last time we were on the phone we talked about
doing that to help out Winkie so we definitely need to do that so after
Jamboree let’s let’s plan that so Jeremy thinks coach I already have the GC and
loved it yeah so you know Jeremy with that GC you can bugle on it you can Cal
call on it you can do your clunks through that it’ll just help add a
little bit of depth so thank you there is reading ground not far so I wondered
if it would be the same bulls as we were finding right now it could be
but it could also be a bull but you don’t even know is in the area that
comes into that Reading area that’s what’s so cool sometimes because you can
have trail cameras and you are getting pictures and everything of certain bulls
but then all of a sudden come the rut you have bulls you’ve never even seen on
camera and the ones that you had on camera sometimes disappear
so Cory Chrisman this is off topic do you have any advice on what the judges
are looking for while calling it the world out calling competition you know
it varies the judges want to hear different things some want to hear you
know nice clean notes and transitions in control of the read others want to hear
variety of you know different sounds the best piece of advice that I could give
is give a good representation of multiple different sounds but the thing
that you want to do is you always want to start off your calvo localizations
with your best set of sounds and you always want to start off your bull
vocalizations with your best bugle because that is what’s going to grab
their attention and if you hit them with something really clean really nice and
you know shows off your ability those judges are going to basically just be
okay wow I want to hear more so okay tu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu scouting this
time of year you see a herd with cows calves and good bulls are those bulls
satellites yeah I was I have your question up Jeremy I just haven’t gotten
to that one yet so are those Bulls satellites and the big herd bulls are
still hiding or could big bulls be with the cows and calves this time of year
typically the Bulls that you see with the cows and calves this time of year
are younger Bulls that yes will be the satellite Bulls you’re older larger
class bulls are away from the cows and calves typically they are solitude
they’re higher up on the mountain up above the flies up above the treeline
they are solitude these younger Bulls that you’re seeing
that are mixed in with the cows and calves you know like I said these are
younger Bulls that you know cuz you gotta understand when a bull calf is
born he is going to stay and live with the cows and calves until he reaches a
certain age until he reaches that breeding class age which you know could
three and a half then he ventures and goes up with the Bulls into their
bachelor groups and the solitude life ends and so then he doesn’t really come
back down with the cows and calves until it’s time to start rounding up cows so a
big herd bull which is the best cow call for beginners that’s kind of a tricky
one if you’re talking about a diaphragm Reed it’s gonna vary from person to
person because you need to find the diaphragm Reed that fits the roof of
your mouth the best and typically with new callers there’s three that I
recommend the black amp from Phelps gang calls the mellow yellow from Rocky
Mountain hunting’s calls and the ripa tread from native by Carlton this gives
you a narrow medium and wide frame so that you can find which one really fits
in the roof of your mouth the best gets the best seat seals the air the best and
you can basically you know control that Reed because it fits really really well
if you’re looking for open Reed cow calls I really like the the green weenie
and the mini mouths from native by Carlton the mini mouth is basically
replica of the fighting cow call very easy call to use has some real good
nasal qualities to it and you can get really loud on it to really get after
those bulls so let’s see great classes I did them from Colorado over video and it
was a game changer yeah Sean McGarry talking about the zoom video conference
I can’t hear you as good as previous episodes hope it is it my phone yeah
somebody said that last week too and I checked everything everything is
I don’t know it’s everything is all there so Danny Kahneman just got here
Mike are you not coming for calling tomorrow Danny no some things have come
up I need to take care of some pretty important business and so no I am NOT
going to be making it to Utah for the world championships tomorrow so best of
luck go up there represent just relax and have fun
do your thing Danny you’ll be fine so how many satellites does it take to get
good reception you know I would say four or five but it depends on how those
satellites are kind of positioned to really bounce off each other to get the
reception tad you’re awesome dude I love you so all right back to the questions
tu-tu-tu-tu-tu-tu okay this one when quartering elk is less of a chance it
meets spoilage to take the time to bone out all the quarters I have had two
butchers tell me this and was wondering what’s everyone’s experience is with
boning out quarters or leaving bone in great questions so I have always left
bone in but the key with bone in especially on the hindquarters is there
is kind of a kneecap and then you’ll see kind of a line of the meat that kind of
runs what you need to do is come right underneath that meat meet that kneecap
run your knife straight in hit that femur bone and then come down you’ll
have this great big hunk of meat that will fall forward you need to have that
you need to open that up because there’s a lot of heat that is trapped right
between that big hunk of meat in the bone if you don’t open that up and let
that speak it’s going to stay in there and that is basically where you get bone
sour from now here’s the deal with bone in versus bone out yes bone out is going
to allow all that heat to escape and it’s personal preference whether you
want to do it but here’s the thing to consider too when you hang that meat
whether it’s bone-in or bone out it gets a hard skin on it the butcher is going
to trim that hard skin so if you bone out you
have a lot more surface area that is going to hard skim that they are just
going to trim off and throw away that means you’re losing a lot more meat that
way okay so the bone in bone out it’s personal preference yes you have
additional weight when you’re packing with bone in but you can handle quarters
a lot easier and you can hang them a lot easier as I said I’ve always left bone
in I’ve never had a problem with it so but the main thing is opening up on the
hind quarter that big hunk of meat and if it’s kind of a cooler morning you’ll
see it because as soon as you open that up you’re gonna see this great big plume
of steam rise out of there so okay okay we talked about that one okay so this
one’s kind of a long post but it’s basically you know advice for hunting
the Frank church wilderness area basically that you know have heard that
you know the elk aren’t quite as vocal because of the wolves and this and that
to an extent yes the elk are not as vocal out in the open but you get into
thick tempered areas they are still vocal but they’re just using lower
audible sounds so advice I can given it to anybody that’s going into the Frank
church or going into wolf country lower the volume on your calls and be aware of
where you’re calling from don’t be standing out in the wide-open ringing
these ear piercing bugles down the canyon because all you’re gonna do is
attract all the wolves in the area get in the timber turn your volume down and
call more frequently as you’re moving and also don’t forget about the lower
audible sound your gloves your your your grunts your Huff’s raking you know those
type of things that aren’t going to carry as far so big skinny if you ever
hunted northeastern washing not northeastern Washington but did hunt
quite a bit of the blues there in Eastern Oregon so alright let me jump
over to comments and see what we got rolling in tu-tu-tu-tu-tu to do was an
Idaho last week and seen some elk that were dark in color and some that were
real light or the dark ones staying in dark timber and light one or not no
you’ll kind of get some variations of you know kind of that reddish tint
versus the real tan tint it’s it’s just kind of you know changes you can also
see age class and one thing with the Bulls too you’ll see that their Mane and
legs will go from a dark brown to almost a black as they get older so their
colors will kind of change with age a little bit so my inter good evening
Michael on the rest of ECA tuning in from Wyoming Garrett Weaver I’ve heard that large
herd bulls will start a little later and let the smaller satellites gather the
cows to let them do most of the work then when it’s time to kick them out is
this accurate yeah I’ve seen it where some of the larger herd bulls will do
exactly that they’ll kind of hang back and let some of those younger bulls that
are full of energy and excited and this and that because these larger herd bulls
know how much energy they are going to spend with breeding and defending their
herd so they kind of learned a little while ago that maybe it’s better to work
smarter and not harder and that’s let these smaller herd bulls
or they smaller bulls go out and gather all these cows do this work and then
they come down and all they have to do is kick his butt once and now all of a
sudden they have seven eight ten twelve cows just like that and they didn’t
really expand that much energy to gather up all those cows so yes it can happen
like that so big skinny other than reading online and boots on the ground
any advice for thermals wind checker always have a wind checker in your
pocket I will go through three or four in a season it’s a very valuable piece
to have on you all time and have it in a pocket or a
place that you can grab it easily and quickly because you’re constantly going
to be checking the thermals you’re always going to be adjusting the path
you’re always gonna be checking those it’s just a constant thing so but yeah
by reading online and everything I mean you can really understand the thermals
but until you get out there that’s when you really gather all the information
because you you understand and can feel firsthand what it’s doing like if you’re
on the south side you know the south facing slope of the mountain you know
mid morning temps are up a little bit thermals are going up and as you roll
around that mountain on to the north side on to the cool side of the mountain
man it’s 10 to 15 degrees over there and all of a sudden thermals are blowing
down or you could have it where it’s a bright sunny day thermals are blowing up
and all of a sudden the cloud cover comes over blocks the Sun and temps drop
and thermals turn and go again so that’s why it’s critical to have that wind
checker and constantly be checking the thermals constantly be checking that
wind I can’t stress that enough the wind is your friend use it so ok
let’s jump over to another question I think we took care of yep we got all of
them from there ok to do Bryce how do I know it’s the right bowl for me pretty
dang easy if that bull is coming in and your heart rate elevates and your
breathing gets quicker your pulse starts to race any of that happens that’s the
right bull for you your body will let you know cuz your adrenaline is rising
you’re getting excited that bull is right for you I don’t care how big he is
I don’t care what he is if those things happen your pulse starts to quicken your
heart rate kicks up your breathing gets quicker that’s
right bowl for you so big skinny you bet bud
so got any tips on July scouting where there’s food and water everywhere the
snow is still melting up high and the grass will still be very green in sixty
days yeah this is one thing that I’ve talked about before in a wet year versus
a dry year you know wet year that’s that that food is is spread out a lot more so
the elk are spread out a lot more what you’re gonna find is you’re actually
gonna find smaller pockets of elk kind of spread out all over because there is
that food spread out all over beg you know best thing to do for scouting I
mean the thing to remember scouting in July is you know spend time behind glass
if you can you know watch where everything is moving what’s where
everything is working but also too once you’ve done that and you kind of figure
out where the groups are hanging out now go into those areas and look for those
rutting signs close by those areas you know where where those groups gonna go
to and then just work all those different areas in fact on wet years
like this I will cover a lot more ground in fact that’s what we’re doing this
weekend Bryce and I are heading up to hang some trail cameras and you know
we’re just we’re just gonna hike and check out other areas because you can
find some remote pockets that maybe you haven’t gone into in years past because
it’s been dry years that maybe little hidden honey holes now because it
actually is a wetter year and maybe there’s a wallow in there that years
past when it’s been dry it’s dried up and now that it’s a little wetter
there’s still gonna be a wallow in there and so you know a bull’s gonna be
hanging out in that little pocket or go into that area for breeding because that
small little creek that normally dries up still has water in it so you can find
little hidden pockets that a lot of people may not know about and may just
walk right by because they’re going to hit those same normal pockets that
everybody knows about typically what time of year’s this
when I find a lot of those little hidden gems that not a lot of people know about
or not or people will just blow right by because they’re like we’ve never seen
elk in here for the past four years but okay maybe it’s been four straight years
of fairly dry now it’s wet so this is one of those things you can find those
hidden pockets and always find other little contingency plans to help you you
know dive in and get away from people so mark just jumped in and he just reminded
me so let me see if I can pull this up I don’t know if I can mark go ahead and
type in the code that you sent me earlier today I can’t get into my
Instagram messages right now so go ahead and just type that code into the chat
that you sent me earlier and we’ll make that announcement here tonight for for
everybody on the hot on the trail sense so okay what are a couple of good
options besides thermos cell for mosquitoes this good old-fashioned eat a
bad choice so I mean I’m not too worried about using DEET or using you know
something for mosquito repellent early on I mean if you’re hunting in an area
that has quite a bit of water is really wet there are a lot of mosquitoes I mean
really we’re using the wind and keeping the wind in our favor anyways because
remember you’re never going to be a hundred percent scent free so if you
need to use something to kind of hold those mosquitoes in check you’re gonna
really need to be even more aware of the wind and the thermals and your setups
are gonna be even more important but I would rather do that then constantly be
waving mosquitoes or suffering from mosquitoes drained in my blood so pre-rut elk behavior and hunting tactics
drew archery first or August first archery tag so Oleg you know basically
pre-rut especially August first those bulls are still gonna be kind of in
their bachelor group and solo mentalities so this is where you’re
scouting right now from distances with glass to establish their patterns you
know where are they betting down where are they feeding where are they
traveling you’re gonna want to know those so then August first you’re gonna
want to be in those areas where they’re traveling and do kind of some light cow
calling they’re not too used to you know cows being up in that area you know
they’re they’re up there solitude they’re gonna kind of be inquisitive so
it can be effective but you’re just gonna have to pattern them and probably
hit water sources bugling I wouldn’t do a ton because
they’re really not I mean they’re just starting that August first to kind of
start to get the rise in testosterone and start getting rid of you know
starting to think about getting rid of the velvet and getting hard horned so
scree camel is a good mosquitoes can’t even see you I like that so okay mark
thank you so okay so I was asked about this today that hot on the trail sense
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that you have it and you’re not having to do a mad rush and in fact I need to
take that advice and so website is www.seannal.com and the code is e CA
7:10 to get 25% off your order marked is a mark is that code work for me too cuz
I need to get all my stuff for the year so let’s see okay so we got through all
those questions so now let me jump back over here dad you’re still cracking me
up I have a meeting at 11:00 a.m. hope I get early call time tomorrow morning
otherwise yeah I don’t know what divisions they’re jumping into Danny are
you gonna be at the tack in Big Sky Matt no I’m not also for those of you guys
that live in eastern Idaho and western Wyoming next weekend the 19th and the
20th Wayne Carlton and myself will be at archery unlimited in Aetna Wyoming
Friday the 19th we’re getting going about 6 o’clock and then Saturday the
20th we will go at 10 o’clock but basically it’s just Wayne and I we’re
gonna stand up there and just kind of talk about strategies and things that
we’ve learned in the past and just kind of have a conversation back and forth
and we’re just gonna share a bunch of knowledge with you guys so it is
definitely going to be a good seminar I’m not sure how much more Wayne is
going to be able to get out so take advantage of this opportunity and get
over there and take advantage of learning from a living legend so
apparently it takes beer in whiskey and wings and
but you will learn about that later okay if you’re a beginner caller and want to
focus on perfecting just one cow sound which would you recommend
whoo good question Scott probably the lost Moo or the excited Moo you know
where you’re focusing on that higher note so just cuz that higher note tends
to get more of a response it has some emotion into it so yeah I would probably
say that that lost Mew it’s also called a loud muir Nixon so that will work well
for you know a distance to locate or even you know work in a bowl so Ethan
Porter best single Reed bugle tube I assume you’re talking about an external
Reed bugle there’s a couple I like the power bugle and I also like the
selectable from Rocky Mountain hunting calls so Danny you’re killing me so
Austin Rollins what’s a good calling strategy for when it’s windy and the
Bulls are a little quieter it’s not necessarily that they’re a little
quieter you got to understand that you have to be closer because the
combination of the trees the vegetation and the wind all of that is knocking
that sound down or carrying it a different direction so good calling
strategy try to get out of the wind if you can because once you’re out of the
wind your sounds are gonna cover a little carry a little bit more but also
you’re gonna be able to hear things coming to you so a lot of times when
we’re up on ridges if it’s really windy we bail off the ridges we get down onto
the faces and out of the winds that we can actually hear a little better nacho
any plan to do a video on patreon for how to read a topo map
yes actually I have talked with Derek over rugged maps about getting one of
his maps in so that way we can talk about how to read a traditional topo map
and use a compass for navigating so I’m not sure that my question came through
and I clicked out of here but do you normally park in camp near a trailhead
or do you pick an area where you’d stop on a road side and hunt from there so
actually we have a camp spot that we drive to and that’s our base camp from
there we’ll jump in the truck and go you know to trail heads or we’ll go out at
night bugling and night bugling you know it could be we locate elk and then we
find a spot on the road to where we can pull off the truck or pull the truck off
and have enough room for people to get by and that’s the key thing make sure
you leave enough room for people to get by easily don’t make it tough if you’ve
got to go up the road another eighth of a mile before you can easily pull off do
it it’s the courtesy thing it’s the right thing to do but then from that
point I mean we don’t necessarily always hit a trailhead we may just bail off
sometimes wherever and access you know we may find ways sometimes that if there
is a trailhead that multiple people are hidden you know we may go down the road
a little ways and just work right up the face to get into an area up over there
so but no it’s not always a trailhead so to do – hey Michael what’s the best way
to approach to herd bulls fighting and cows are all around have tried sneaking
and sounding like another bull but no luck any suggestions well when they’re
actually locked in and fighting because of all that noise there’s a lot of times
that their eyes are closed to protect their eyes but also the clanging the
clanging of the horns is so loud that you can actually get away with movement
and then it turns into a spot in stock you know you’re going to basically
really pay attention to what they’re doing still using vegetation and this
and that to conceal and move but then basically you’re just going
stock in there’s really not any point at calling at that point because like I
said they’re making so much noise when they truly are fighting the only thing
is is when you’re stocking in with all those cows around you’re really really
really going to have to be aware now the thing is is if you’re stocking in and
the cow does bust you and they break and go that’s where now once the bulls that
are fighting that separate now you start doing a bull rendition of harassing a
cow and that herd bullet has the cows think that since he’s preoccupied
fighting that another Bowl has snuck in and tried to sneak and tried to you know
sneak off one of his cows so but as long as they’re locked up and fighting no
it’s just a spot in stock scenario so okay to do do you find Bulls bugle less
when low bull the cow ratio seems that way to me when I get into an area with a
lot of bulls to cows they seem to bugle more yes you will get more bugling in an
area that is higher bull to Cal ratio because there is more of that
competition for the cows when you get into a low bull de Cal ratio so you may
have a lone bowl that has eight cows and there’s not another bull around for
miles he doesn’t have to compete for that cow
so you are going to get less bugling but that’s where the breeding sequence comes
in nice because you’re coming and sucking right up next to that group
you’re set up and now you’re acting like another bull that’s in that so you just
actually kind of raised that bold a cow ratio a little bit and now it’s you and
that bull competing for your hot cow so over the hill hunter what put washington
state at the bottom of the list for non-resident destinations elk numbers
tag price geography or a combination of them I I think that there’s a few
combinations that really affect that first off you know you have a lot of
outfits that lock up the land that you have to pay basically access fees to get on to and
so really honestly if somebody is taking a look at Washington versus Colorado for
example you know the amount of public land in the access to the public land
and also elk numbers all of that really really come into play so I don’t think
it’s truly just one thing that really drops it to the list it’s it’s a
combination of everything but also to when you hear a lot of topics of people
talking about traveling to you know hunt a lot of times it’s Montana Colorado New
Mexico Arizona you know a lot of discussion lately about Idaho too but I
think it’s more because people associate those other states with travel to
destinations more so than kind of Washington and Oregon so but there are
some really good opportunities on the eastern side of Washington especially
when you get over there in the Blue Mountain area that they can actually get
some good access to public land so any particular brand of wind checker um I
use the dead downwind I just like it it seems to work well for me it doesn’t
clump up too bad and it’s an orange bottle so if I do happen to drop it it’s
easy to see and easy to find so Tony do you think bulls will still be running in
mid-october I have a rifle hunt starting mid-october to mid-november wondering if
I should bring my tube and diaphragm along yeah there still will be some
running activity in mid-october how much activity that’s really hard to
say because that’s going to vary from year to year last year it was hot and
heavy in October on end in November years before that it was just kind of
towards the tail end it was kind of that post rut time we’re just a few cows were
coming in to extra and it wasn’t having a lot of activity
so definitely take your call take your diaphragm and match your
surroundings so if you’re hearing a lot of Bulls bugle bugle if you’re not
hearing much calling don’t call too much so okay ah
two – two – two – so we got a hunt in New Mexico two tags should we split into
two different groups or should we work as a team
pros and cons well Robbie it depends on how many people are in your in your
group you know – tags are you talking just the two of you or is there support
people coming I mean obviously if you have support people coming a two-on-one
scenario meaning caller shooter versus the elk has a higher percentage rate
than a one-on-one one-on-one can still be highly successful but you just got to
make sure all the I’s are dotted and T’s are crossed so if it is the two of you
you know you can most certainly that’s something that you would have to work
out between the two of you and you could basically work it to where both of you
pack the boughs and then you trade off and so you establish what your trade off
time is you know of one of you the one thing about you know okay you’re gonna
be the shooter today and you’re gonna be the shooter tomorrow the only thing with
that is you have a lot of variables that can change
I mean weather barometric pressure other hunters so what we do a lot of times is
we we will change after each encounter so you know we encounter a bull we setup
or work in the bull for some reason no shot happen okay then we switch and you
know switch it up that way so we change on each encounter the nice thing is – is
you tend to get a lot more opportunities and you switch a lot more doing it that
way so speaking of elk travel ranges did you
see the news today about a collared cow out that traveled 250 miles over an
entire mountain range to give birth I saw a little bit
on it I haven’t read the whole article yet so but yeah I’ll definitely go check
that out so I drew an archery rut trophy tag plan on holding out and chasing only
big boys Arizona 360 plus is very doable with continued hard smart work Aaron
that’s that’s great you know a lot of times when you do draw those trophy
areas definitely yeah you you put an age class and a size and that’s that’s
basically you know your goal that’s what you’re going for but also to the thing
to remember is if you’re getting towards the tail end of that hunt and if it
takes you 20 years to draw that tag and you may not have another 20 years I
would much rather shoot a smaller bull then take that tag off the mountain with
me so especially you have really hard to
draw area that you probably will never draw again in your lifetime I’m gonna
fill that tag I’m not gonna fill it with a smaller bull early on I’m going to
wait you know I’m gonna chase the big boys first but I’m definitely going to
fill that tag Mike hike mid day or sit in the heavy dark and wait so well the
mid day so elk do get pretty active during the mid day and what we do is
we’re within you know two 250 yards 300 yards or the the bedding area so that
way during that midday when those elk get up and start moving you know we’re
right there so that we can get right on them and interact so mid day for us more
is is kind of staging outside those bedding areas you know doing things some
soft cow calling so that when they do get up they crack off and let us know
that they’re on their feet and then we can move in set up and engage and work
that bull but know we’re not constantly hiking around especially if you’re in
new area and hiking around during a midday you’re standing a very good
chance of bumping into a bedding area and blowing those elk out of that
bedding area and then you may have ruined that spot for the rest of your
hunt so any tips for calling in trophy class velvet mule deer bucks in August
Scott there’s not a lot rattling is not really effective in August you know I’m
not really sure if don’t want fawn bleats would actually work very well so
I think you’re gonna be stuck with the old-fashioned sit on your butt behind
glass and do 90% of your hunt behind the glass spot get him to bed
down then plan your approach and take your approach route and take your time
so to do to do to do we are gonna be using hammocks for possible spike camps
if we are on elk in mid-september should a guy have a bug mad or are they not too
bad that time of year I don’t have a bug net on my hammock you know mid September you’re probably
gonna be ok they’re probably gonna get some cooler nights that the bugs really
aren’t gonna be that bad maybe during the midday when the temperature is a
little bit higher but you are not really going to you know really be in that
hammock on your spike camp so now you shouldn’t you shouldn’t need a big bug
net but if you have a hammock that has a bug net sewn in it’s not that much extra
weight so mr. Lawson I live in Cincinnati and I’m going to put in for
Idaho elk draw 2020 do you know any good guides with good reputations I know
several of them it just depends on what area you you know your your drawing so
the one thing you can do is the area that you’re drawing you can actually go
to the Outfitters guides Association board for that state and do a review on
Outfitters in the area you know you can also there is outfitter
and guide reporting websites that will have basically reviews and you can read
them good reviews bad reviews mediocre reviews and you can kind of do a lot of
due diligence and get kind of gather your own information and then if you
want today to take it a step further go ahead and call Fish and Game and talk to
a conservation officer and find out if they have any information on that guide
because they may have information that doesn’t necessarily make it into the
reviews or maybe the person that wrote the review just had a bad day so can you
remind me of the hammock you use it is winner Outfitters on Amazon so what is
your number one a scouting tool for finding feeding and betting areas in
perspective areas for the month of September using backdated satellite data
so Oh Dennis you’re killing me so there so I’m not gonna give you my number Elan
and so those of you guys that are you those of you that are patreon members
you guys you guys know what my number one is but cal topo is a good resource
and and honestly once you have kind of an area selected on that what’s what’s
kind of cool is there are a couple of it and you can just type in you know
mapping you can do Google searches guide my mind is drawn a blank on the other
one right now but it actually does have different maps that you can choose god
dang it you’re killing me hold on my mind is killing me right now sorry guys got a
lot of things on the mind but um it has a lot of different map layers that you
can pull up and some of those map layers are older maps that will have some of
the road systems because the thing is is every time the Forest Service updates a
map there’s Road systems that they close
that then fall off those maps and so you want access to older maps sometimes so
yeah it is the Cal topo okay so but Cal topo is one that I use quite a bit Acme
mapper is is another good source to use but the Cal topo up in the right-hand
side you can switch and it’ll have the years it’ll say Forest Service map 2015
or Forest Service map or whatever so you can switch to some of those olders but
the reason those are beneficial and this is one reason why I really like rugged
maps is because rugged Maps has basically those outdated road systems
still on their maps and the reason those are beneficial because if you’re looking
at a newer map and a lot of these a lot of these East Gauteng you know on X Maps
base maps you’ll see them all the time we have the most up-to-date maps we’ve
updated our map we have the most up-to-date map the only problem is those
old road systems fall off those old road systems are beneficial because they’re
still there and there are great sources for moving around your hunting area
quickly and quietly but they are also great tools and sources for when you’re
packing an animal out that you can use those old road systems to pack an animal
out you’re not having to cite he’ll go over a bunch of deadfall blowdowns that
kind of stuff so so I’m just gonna say Cal topo Dennis in response to your
question there so do you just hunt Idaho or do you hunt
out-of-state hunts Kevin I I’ve hunted Montana I’ve hunted Colorado Idaho
Oregon have hunted you know several different states so I have not had a
chance to make it down to New Mexico or Arizona yet so to do paper land is
easily accessible in Washington but the distance makes it hard for scouting as
Michael said there’s some good access points okay so Robbie if there’s four of
you so two of you have tags two of you don’t break up into pairs of two and and
do the color shooter scenario that’s gonna raise your chances for success so
guys the countdown is starting it’s we’re already at a minute and a half
until Instagram shuts off so let’s just see if we’ve got anything else here to
do two two two two two okay hello hello okay mark just said
that some orders are rolling in so thank you guys so those of you that are
picking up some of that hot cents I am doing a tutorial video on that I will do
two versions of it one is going to be for the patreon members if you guys do
want to do that like I said it’s elk calling academy.com it’s $15 a month I
really dive in deeper on a lot of the information and really I open up my
playbook and show you exactly what I do out there and how I use these but I will
do a quick little tutorial video to show you guys how I do that so do they sell
the entire line of Carlton calls and Cabela’s or sportsmen sportsmen has some
of them Cabela’s mark actually just closed a
deal with Bass Pro so they will be on there soon so all right guys we got 20
seconds thank you to each and every one of you for tuning in tonight
I appreciate it greatly as always keep calling keep practicing most importantly
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  1. I've been practicing calling for a long time, I'm really good, I'm on an 8 bull kill streak but I'd really like to get that raspy sound they have in the beginning, I know how to do the lip ball, i just want that raspy sound……may just have to practice more and more and piss off my neighbors, I get a call back about 3 blocks away ???

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