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Peak Rut Elk Calling Tips | Wapiti Wednesday Q&A – EP 33

August 19, 2019


all right looks like we’re looks like
we’re live there and we’re live there so we are live on both we’ll just kind of
hang out and wait for some people to jump in and join us a little bit so
hopefully you guys have been getting out there been having some fun chasing some
elk and enjoying chasing that magnificent creature that we all love
okay people are starting to roll in mr. Jai Kali how you doing bud those of you
that are joining us on YouTube feel free to comment in the chat let me know who’s
here mr. Scott welcome welcome Pat O’Brien good evening and welcome Jay
what’s up just counting down the hours before I head back up to camp for the
long haul mr. Martin welcome ty good evening
Scott hello Alex what’s going on Michael just getting
getting ready to head back up to camp I’ll head back up Friday there’s gonna
be a long hunt Larry Riggleman hello mister yeah head
back up camp I’m just gonna go up and run camera and call for my hunting
partners and a another friend Steven Phillips hello
Dustin faller hello from Colorado good evening guys thanks for everybody thanks
for jumping on so Jordan Robinson hello so so tonight we’re gonna kind of cover
a couple of different things first off you know we’re in that period now where
the elk are kind of transitioning from you know their their pre-rut kind of
mindset getting into peak rut I’m going to talk about what happens during that
transition kind of what to expect for those of you that are head now
I know I’ve heard from a bunch of people that you know they’re heading out so Jim
thanks for tuning in Bonita welcome so it’s just kind of what
to expect during that transition what to expect in the next several days and then
also mr. Jason welcome so also right before I came on audio is kind of here
on the on the Facebook side how was how was the audio on the YouTube side so but
anyways right before I came on got asked a question and I said that I would just
address that tonight and it’s basically some solo tactics for those of you that
like to hunt solo so we’ll just give it just a little bit more and then we will
dive in mr. Larry welcome Marc welcome so John the elk are starting to fire up
in Montana yet we’re definitely going to gonna cover that bonito YouTube audio is
good here perfect let me know from some of you guys on the facebook feed let me
know how the audio is over there mr. Jake how you doing bud
Heather thanks for tuning in so before we get going guys I know have talked
about this this is the little game changer call if you remember right
before season I did a review on this little call I’ll tell you what guys the
more and more that I use this call I I primarily been using it Dustin FBI audio
is good perfect hey thanks Dustin I’ve primarily been using this for my cow
vocalizations so when I’m back as a call alright I kind of have this in one hand
and my tube in the other and I’ve been doing my my cowboy clothes ations you
know through the big end on this for those of you that aren’t familiar I do
have a review video of this game change or definitely go check it out but I am
just like I said the more I use that the more impressed I
with that call and the tones so yes please solo tactics I had a great boat
60 yards just couldn’t get into close the distance why are we back to doing
this what do you think I’m a caller with two hunters how far should I have them
sit up and hit okay Jay I’ll I’ll hit that one so remind me to come back to
that so okay so anyways yeah the game changer it’s just been blown away and
how well if you guys are interested if you watch there if you watch the little
review video or if you’re interested g4r tree is is where you can pick that up so
okay let’s jump into it so welcome everybody welcome to Wapiti wednesday QA
brought to you by elk calling Academy tonight we’re gonna kind of talk about
that transitional period so first part of the season so far we’ve kind of been
into that pre-rut phase I know I’ve heard from a lot of people not a bunch
of bugling action not a bunch of running activity seeing a lot of bachelor group
of bulls they’re really not interested in the her or in the cows yet that’s all
about to change or is starting to change right now we’re transitioning into that
peak rut timeframe this is this is when calling activity will pick up Bulls are
gonna be a lot more vocal so Scott Madi welcome welcome welcome so this is when
it gets really really fun because of the bugling action you have it’s it’s really
really vocal out there but on the flip side too once the peak rut really gets
going it’s harder and harder to call herd bulls away from the herd because
they have cows that are starting to come into estrus and once Bulls have a cow
that’s starting to come into estrus that bull is locked down he’s not leaving her
so I’m not saying it can’t be done you can still pull that herd bull away you
might have to be pretty patient mr. Casey Gepferd welcome how do you bud
you might have to be patient and you might have to work that bull multiple
days and cat him on a day where he does not have a
hot towel in his group so it’s going to take patience it’s gonna take
persistence and it’s gonna take you dogging that herd waiting for that right
opportunity you’re calling approach isn’t going to change too much as far as
you know the breeding sequence and and all that what is going to change is your
ability to get aggressive so and because that bull has that cow coming into
estrus his energy levels and his testosterone levels are gonna be amped
up so he’s going to be in that defense mode he’s already going to be in the
aggressive mode that really allows you to take the gloves off and really really
be aggressive so those of you guys that really like that aggressive a product
that aggressive style of calling this is a great time for you but like I said
remember you’re going to have to be patient because you know with that bull
being locked down on that hot cow it’s not like you’re gonna just be aggressive
and he’s gonna come running over to you rather howdy Jentry hey bud so because
you got to remember when he has when he has a cow that’s coming into estrus the
the scent that that cows releasing in the air is attracting other bulls so
this bull is already going to be used to multiple other bulls around him trying
to vie for that hot cow trying for that opportunity to breed that hot cow and
that’s why your patience is key because if you stay on that herd and you you
play your cards right and you’ll you’ll know on the day when he doesn’t have a
hot cow because he’s not going to be as vocal you’ve talked about this before
you know once a cow is is in estrus it there’s a lot of bleep bugling activity
around there there’s a lot of excitement so if you go in there and he’s quiet than
you then you know that you know there’s no hot cow there by you breaking in and
doing that breeding sequence so kind of Benito just ask him you get him to come
in with an estrus cow call when he doesn’t have a cow in cycle you break
into that breeding sequence that we’ve taught about you know that we’ve talked
about and what we teach you know in the elk calling Academy you break into that
breeding sequence he’s automatic automatic ly going to
think there’s another bull in his area that has a hot cow he’s gonna loop
around his cows real quick and he’s just gonna go nope I don’t have anybody hot
I’m gonna go over and check out that hot cow over there so you can suck him over
at that point but remember if he has a hot cow in his group it’s going to be
virtually in it’s gonna be really really tough to pull him away from that hot cow
so I’m not gonna say it can’t be done but it’s going to be really really
really challenging so Michael Mayer hey Mike glad to finally catch one of these
hey welcome so Stephen Phillips so two bulls stay put guarding are they still
nomadic the Bulls gonna stay right in there with those cows Stephen he’s he’s
gonna be dogging that cow his nose is gonna be right behind her he’s
constantly just he’s not gonna move very far away from it or her at all because
he doesn’t want to miss that opportunity when she finally gets the to the point
she’s ready to breed he he’s gonna stay right there on her until that happens
mr. Jim how you doing so and he’s gonna be in that constant defense mode he’s
gonna be aware of other Bulls he’s gonna be running younger Bulls off he’s gonna
be right back on her so if you guys you know go to YouTube the mountain project
has a video I think it’s episode 48 I think it is about the first five minutes
of that video is of a bull that has a hot cow
just what’s the first five minutes watch how he responds what’s how he acts you
know what what’s what he’s doing in defense of that cow the video will
immediately start off with him you know knows right on the backside of that cow
like in the air he’s testing that air and then you’ll see him constantly
running off younger Bulls but it’s it’s a great video to really have an
opportunity to watch their behavior watch how that Bulls gonna act when he
has a cow that’s in estrus and how he’s responding to all those other Bulls
around him because like I said that creates a lot of excitement and really
pulls a lot of people in or a lot of lot of bulls in and can pull people
depending on where you’re at mr. Lewis shelter how you doing bud okay Jay gonna
jump back to your question what do you think I’m a caller with two hunters how
far should I have them set up so so Jay the distance and this goes for anybody
it doesn’t matter if you have one caller out in front or two callers out in front
the distance between you and your shooters is going to be dependent on
terrain and how thick the vegetation is how thick the trees are in essence what
you’re doing is remember we’ve talked in the past about a bull will come up to a
certain point where he thinks he should be able to see that elk that’s making
the noise that is where you want your callers set up you want your callers set
or your sorry your shooters you want your shooters set up at that hang-up
point then you at the call you as the caller you move back to the point so
that that bull has to come to that hang-up point has to come to that stop
point to be able to you know see where you’re making those sounds from or maybe
maybe you go back just a little bit farther so he comes through that hang-up
point and give that really good shot to your shooters so there’s really not a
definitive answer on that Jay there’s not really forty yards 50
at 75 yards each setup is a little bit different you’ll just have to take a
look at you know the area you’re setting up in where your where your angles are
where that path that that bowl is gonna come in at and then stand kind of
somewhere by there and look back and go okay from here I can see to that tree or
that bush or whatever if I go just past that he’s gonna have to come up a little
bit farther ten fifteen yards maybe to see where that sound is coming from and
that’s how you want to set up so each time kind of do that quick evaluation
before you set up so what do you do when a bull barks and what do you do
Austin when a when a bull it doesn’t matter if it’s a bull or a cow when any
of them bark you basically just bark right back at
them so basically what they’re doing by barking is they’re saying I’m not
comfortable with the situation I don’t think you’re real elk I need to present
yourself by you barking back at them you’re basically saying the same message
to them so ah Michael didn’t catch the video name Michael are you talking about
on the game changer it’s it’s just game changer call review I believe is the
video name game changer is in the title so if you go to the elk calling Academy
YouTube channel click on videos and then just look for game changer or you can
find it in the playlist under call reviews and it’s just that game changer
so how do you hold off on smaller bowls to get a bigger bowl yeah you know what
Gentry bigger bowls don’t really matter to me i I’m not out there for trophy I’m
not out there for a social status I’m not out there for notoriety or this or
that for me it’s more of a feeling if something cool happens during the hunt
I’m sure madbull it doesn’t matter to me if it’s
a spike if it’s a 380 or whatever so if something in fact the bowl that I just
shot on opening weekend it was a great day with my hunting partner we had a
blast we were sharing tons of laughs it just it was something about that day
that area so but you know how do you hold off on smaller bowls to get a big
bowl if you have it and stuck in your head that you want to get a big bowl
then you know what just let the little bulls walk don’t even draw back as soon
as you see them and you’re like nope that’s not big enough then don’t even
don’t even clip clip your release out of the bow so I mean I’ve heard that and
I’ve been told it before you know you can’t shoot the big ones if you don’t
let the little ones walk that’s okay so I feed my family with all of the wild
game that that I hunt that’s all we eat we do not buy be from the store so to me
it’s it’s more important to me the time out in the field with my friends the
laughter and the memories is more important than any any rack on the wall
so thoughts on bull calling Cal or roundup bugle mixed with cow calls when
you’re within a hundred yards so the bull calling cow is is really all it is
it’s just a short lip bald or display bugle is is is really you know all that
is the roundup bugle I’ve used Isaac I’ve used the roundup bugle you know in
the in the past a lot of times you guys will will hear you know a bull do a
roundup bugle and basically it’s you’ve engaged with that bull for a little
while and he’s just losing interest and he’s just gonna do the roundup bugle
basically telling his cows you know what I’ve had enough we’re moving on use that
same approach meaning if you’re working a bull and he’s just he’s hung up he’s
not coming in you can use that same roundup bugle in that same mentality or
approach on him because basically now you’re telling him
you know I’m getting tired of you I’m getting bored with you I’m gonna round
up my cows and move on and it’s really effective especially if you’ve been
doing the breeding sequence because he’s already coming in thinking that you’re a
bull with a hot cow that’s what got him coming your direction
anyways but now he hangs up you can try that roundup bugle cuz now like I said
you’re sending that message to him that you’re kind of getting bored of playing
with him and you’re gonna take your hot cow and you guys are just gonna get a
move off into you into your own place it can be effective to where it actually
gets him to come the rest of the way in if he still hangs up then basically
there is something that is causing him to hang up and you need to figure out
what it is it could be something between you and him that he doesn’t want to
cross or maybe you’re set up you have the advantage and he doesn’t completely
feel comfortable coming in so try that roundup bugle if he doesn’t come in then
go quiet kind of let him wander off and then you can move up and see if you can
figure out what’s holding him up what’s what’s the reason for him not coming up
because there certainly is is a reason and most of the time it’s because the
path he has to come in he just doesn’t feel comfortable so but yes it is it is
effective so Jay you’re welcome Larry Bennett welcome mr. Shawn Keller how you
doing bud Tony here in Idaho not hearing anything yet what would be a good plan
of attack so you know Tony you’re gonna have periods because because we
basically been in that pre-rut timeframe which is you know kind of some bulls
gathering up cows you know have seen some of the some big bulls still kind of
by themselves or in bachelor groups they really haven’t gotten into it yet but
but here we’re getting into that transition from pre-rut to peak rut to
where their mentality is gonna start changing they’re really going to start
thinking about the cows and so really going to hear a lot more vocalizations
in fact I’m already hearing from a lot of people in different places that the
bugle activity is increasing and the run activity seems to be
increasing so which is which is right in line with with kind of you know where
we’re at that you know that that pre-rut kind of happens you know the first week
and a half two weeks of season and then you kind of start getting into the the
first part of the peak rut where cows kind of start coming into cycle and then
from that point on and more cows coming to cycle and it just really starts
ramping up and you just start getting a lot more vocal activity so even though
the peak red is going to get going you will still have some quiet days here and
there depending on the number of elk that you have in your area and the
depending on the bull the cow ratio you could have days where you go into a
drainage you know the ochre there you’re seeing the fresh sign you’re seeing this
but you’re not hearing much bugling action well again that’s because you’re
in an area that does not have a hot cow there’s no cow in estrus anyway anywhere
in there so best approach on that is find some fresh sign or if you you know
if spot its milk you can see them set up and start doing that blind calling
sequence with that breeding sequence and that will kind of create that excitement
get that excitement going and get those Bulls kind of bugling so ty that might
be your only chance Andy welcome welcome Larry finally got back to what’s your
video been hunting every day been into elk but no blood yet so Larry that’s
awesome that you’re getting into elk every day that makes it easier to get
out of bed every morning Ronald Eldred welcome how you doing bud
take them as they come you have a sorry Ronald things have been busy so Isaac do
you suggest it with this pre-rut Rhett here I’ll be hunting Colorado Sunday for
a week yeah Isaac if your hunt is starting Sunday and you’re going for a
week you’re actually hitting it in a pretty pretty good time so I think this
week is going to be a pretty dang wheat and pretty pretty dang good week because
we have you know dark nights like right now we have a storm coming in that’s
gonna drop some rain tomorrow and then clear out by Friday temps are dropping
back down to you know low to mid 60’s for highs mid 30s for lows good dark
night so you have a dark cold dark cool cold night and you know fairly warm days
and I think that activity with that those cool mornings coming off a dark
night it’s just gonna see a lot of activity and longer activity you know in
the mornings so alright thanks for the answers Isaac you’re welcome how do you
get those bulls that aren’t ready yet to leave the cows they have gathered so
mark that’s that’s where that breeding sequence is you know they’re kind of
hanging out with the cows just waiting for a cow to come in cycle you know
that’s that’s where you set up close by you know 125 yards you start doing that
breeding sequence you kind of create that illusion the uribl that has a hot
towel that bulls going to be interested in what’s going on in your little herd
and they’re gonna want to come over and check that out so you had Dan Evans is
having a hard time I want to ask give me a hyper hot call you know the hyper hot
call they’re they’re really in in my opinion there isn’t really a hyper hot
call you know I I don’t think that a cow really makes any sound at all when she
comes into estrus so I mean think think of a doe you know when she comes into in
into cycles that doe doesn’t say anything when she’s ready to breed she
stands up squats and pees and then he knows that you know she’s ready same
thing with with a cow so she’s releasing those sense into the air she’s releasing
those pheromones in the air now if it gets down to the end of her window and
she hasn’t been bred she’s going to start doing that buzz knew that
demanding Wow you know that’s that that buzz Mew
is a sound that you know kind of demands attention kind of it kind of basically
you know pay attention to me now so it’s not so much that it’s a hyper hunt it’s
just a sound that you know she’s demanding to have attention for that
bull but most of the times I mean that bull is right there on top and he’s he’s
really really aware of what’s going on crap Bryce Scott just came in you know
the thick brush I’m talking about and do they come out to breed or can the in
that brush yeah Casey they can they can in that thick brush so it’s as long as
you know they’re they’re on a trail in that thick brush that’s wide enough that
you know he can he can mount and get the job done yeah it doesn’t matter if it’s
a thick brush and a timber pocket and a wide open meadow it doesn’t matter
though they’ll get the job done anywhere they can so I hope this raining cool
weather gets them running and gun and Andy it will so mark thanks you bet so
okay um so like I said I was asked a question before before coming on live
and it was basically about calling approaches for for solo hunters because
I know some of you are going out and you’re hunting solo and it’s it’s
definitely a lot tougher when you’re solo I mean you know when there’s two of
you with one back behind is the caller you’re suckin that bull into you know
past that point where he’s gonna hang up or pass that point where he thinks you
should be able to see the elk when you’re by yourself I mean you’re the
caller you’re the shooter you’re everything you you you don’t have
anybody behind you you know making those sounds making it easy suck in that bull
by as far as your sounds and all that you still do the same thing
the only difference is is you’re going to do it a little closer to that hangout
point and as soon as you’re done with calling you’re going to move and you’re
gonna do a Halfmoon so you’re gonna move on the downwind side whether that’s to
the right or to the left and you’re basically just going to Halfmoon up and
I mean even if it’s only five ten yards to the side and ten fifteen yards up
you’re really not moving that much but just that little bit of movement could
be enough to where when he comes in he’s still focused on the location that you
made the sound from now you want to get everything ready ahead of time meaning
your arrow nocked know exactly where you’re going to move
to the path you’re gonna move and everything make that call and then move
and it may be that you have to do that half moon half moon half moon before you
get that opportunity of that bull coming in and get that shot now this is a good
time for decoys also because you you know you’ve already got his attention or
you got him focusing on where you made that sound from that some sort of decoy
in that area too will help focus his attention and lock him in and could
bring him in just a few more steps but the thing to remember is when you set up
a decoy you call from that spot and then move if you want to call and move again
you have to come back grab that decoy move it up to your spot then call and
move and call and move so that’s the one drawback to using decoys when you’re by
yourself but they also can be be very effective to help you out to you know
pull that bull’s attention so so approach on solo it’s call and move call
and move and I I certainly know that there’s going to be some times that you
just can’t move so if that’s the if that’s the case if that bull’s too close
you know your set up position and try to find a spot that’s a little
bit thicker so that he does have to come in close that’s that’s exactly what
happened on the bowl that I shot so God you know was in some thick brush with
some trails and and I happen to be on a trail that he was acting he actually had
to come out of that brush completely to be able to see where I was calling from
and it was about a 16 yard window so your setups are just as critical on solo
as they are on two-on-one in fact they’re probably even more critical
because if you’re trying to do it in in fairly open timber to where he can stop
80 yards out or a hundred yards out and see where you’re making that sound from
it’s gonna be really really tough to you know get a shot so you may actually have
to you know dog that herd a little bit until you find that that right place to
set up and then start your start your calling sequence Jordan I’ve been
hunting solo got caught by a bull ten yards while I was raking a tree ball on
the ground we’ve all been there you know they just sneak in quiet and we didn’t
hear them you know we still thought they were ways out you know we’re moving you
know turning our head to call or rake or this or that and all of a sudden you
know a bark blast out you turn there he is and you’re like where did you come
from and how did you get there so it happens so so really a lot of times when
I’m solo like I said I will find those little thicker pockets that are going to
be my advantage as well knowing that he has to come really close that he has to
come within my effective bow range for me to shoot and for everybody that
effective bow ranges is a little bit different on how far they feel
comfortable with you know taking that shot so whatever your effective shooting
range is and I’m not talking practice range okay because I know a lot of guys
that practice at 80 90 hundred yards and I’ve had conversations with them about
on a daily basis and they all tell me the same thing but I can put every arrow
in a paper plate at yes you can’t in a controlled
environment on a controlled shooting range where your emotions and your
elevation is in in in your your emotions your adrenaline all that is in check can
you do that same thing when your heart is beating out of your chest when you
have sweaty palms when you’re breathing is sped up so that’s why my effective
range is 40 yards or less that’s just something personally that I put on
myself 40 yards or less but honestly guys I’ve said this before I got into
archery to see how close I can get the animals my average shot on all the elk
that I’ve harvested over the years is only 22 yards so let’s see them shoot em
chasing a bull and high elevations not exactly Isaac exactly Ronald me – yeah
Ronald I saw you put the 40-yard on there also so it’s it’s there’s so much
that can happen with longer shots I really don’t think people and and a lot
of times when I hear people talking about these longer shots a lot of times
it’s people that haven’t harvested an animal or they only have you know one
under the belt very very little experience they don’t understand how
tough these guys are and how far they can go so to do – whoa okay sorry this
one was a YouTube was slacking behind so okay here we go
how do you bark so Daniel what you’re gonna do when your bark is is you
basically kind of do the first note of a cow sound and then you’re gonna do a
burst of air and cool oh so through a tube so that’s how you do a bark okay Roger
they seem to always be held up around 80 yards on many videos so as a solo hunter
how do I call them in pass the holdup zone Roger that’s that’s that’s where
choosing where you set up on that really really is critical so you know choosing
those good set up locations you know little thicker timber or maybe some
brush something something that they’re going to have to be closer to you to be
able to see you know if you find those if you find those areas where they’re
moving through that more open timber so you don’t have the vegetation start
using the features of where you’re hunting at you know maybe maybe use a
little a little roll where you call on the back side of it and then just move
to the top side to where he has to come up to that top side to be able to you
know see where you made that sound from use anything like that use vegetation
use the topography and see you know use use those to your advantage
so in Gentry I don’t care either okay Benito that was the mountain project
video you referenced yes yeah like I said I think it’s 48
I think it’s elk and rain or something like that so I’m just like you can’t
hold a HOF Benito’s comment times to Steven let’s say we miss a nice bull he
survives the season and winter will here at the same vicinity the following year
yeah they will and in fact they’ll still be in that
same area just because you called in a bull and missed him doesn’t mean that
you can’t reengage that bull if you have the opportunity to in fact few years ago
was it was hunting with a couple of guys and called in one bull for one of the
guys in the evening you know he shot we started looking for blood we just found
a couple of pins you know we were looking looking looking
heard that bull bugle and came back in the next morning couldn’t find any bull
saw the bull on his feet and he was fine two days later we were back in that area
I was calling for the other guy at this time I mean it was a bugle fest that day
so called in a bull at first light heard his bow go off I kept calling and then
about five minutes later I heard his bow go off again and I you know like I said
I couldn’t see any of this that was going on and then I walked up to him and
he told me yeah this bull came in about 30 yards 35 yards he took the shot hit
him the bull wheeled went out and then I actually called that same bull back in
and he got a second shot on him what’s crazy is when we got to that downed bull
and started breaking him down to pack off the mountain we actually found the
first guy’s arrow it had actually gone in just right next to the rib cage so
that was one bull within two days that I called in three times for three shots so
just because you know if it was a non-lethal hit yeah he’s still gonna be
there he’s still gonna rut he’s the his testosterones gonna ramp up so
absolutely so okay oh my wife is now watching so I got to behave so any tips
on chuckling grunting with a mouth read so Kevin I do have a video on the
YouTube channel on how to chuckle but but basically you’re almost gonna do the
same thing with the bark where you’re gonna do that first note and then
there’s three parts to it there’s the note oh and then suck back in so easiest thing to do when you’re
chuckling is get all three of those parts get the note the all the note oh
no oh do it slow with all three parts and then once you get consistent with
hitting all three parts then you can combine the first two the note note note
all and then add that third part in but do it slow so when you’re first learning and then once you have that down then
you can start speeding up that rhythm so Kevin hopefully that helps you okay what do you do when a smaller bowl comes
in front of the herd bowl and comes in and blows out how do you still get the
bigger one to come in well it depends how that smaller one blew out
it depends what he did so if he’s coming in and he blows out and goes that way
but the herd bull is still that way I’m not too worried about it
usually what I’ll do on that is all kind of do some little short scream Adam just
just to make it sound like you know he came in and I ran him off so that’s
gonna make that bigger bull go okay hey you know this bull just ran off that
little bull but if that little bull comes in and sees you or wins you and he
turns around and heads back to the where the big bull was and his nose is in the
air as he goes that’s a defensive posture and he’s basically just letting
that big bull know there’s morning up there there’s danger up there don’t go
at that point you’re not gonna get that bigger one to come in so all right
that’s why we bow hunt absolutely hate call me on messenger
Ronald yeah I’ll call you when we’re done if if I can we’ll see how late it
is 80 yards I’ve been out stringer decides to move they can take
one to three steps before the arrow hits absolutely so Jeff Anderson welcome Kyle
hello mr. Robert Gonzalez the Elk Whisperer himself
welcome welcome Adam hello mark hello Scott okay
just answered some of the questions perfect so I thought he said 38 I
thought it was I don’t know guys it’s it’s 38 42 or 48 so like I said just
just look for El Crane I think that’s that’s that’s in the title on the on the
mountain project I apologize for not having that that number down so
something we found out is you have to get close before they respond not
necessarily always the case it depends where you are and in kind of what type
of environment they’re in if they’re in an area that wolves are around yeah
you’re gonna have to get closer to them and you’re actually gonna have to lower
the volume on your on your calls for sure and actually some areas if they’re
in really really thick thick brush you know Coastal Range of Washington and
Oregon places like that you’re just gonna have to get closer before they
respond and it’s not because they won’t respond from a distance it’s because
it’s so thick they just can’t hear you so in Coeur d’Alene we had some great
action on Monday after it cooled and got some cloud cover perfect that’s good to
hear first time catching a live feed on here
thanks for all your info you provide lots of good stuff hoping for some good
rad action in Montana this weekend Nick welcome for the first time so yeah best
of luck on your hunt for those of you guys that follow our Facebook page I
know I posted a few pictures yesterday of some of the elk calling Academy
students that we’ve done lessons for definitely seen a lot of bowls hit the
ground I absolutely love that I love hearing stories from you guys that that
come on to this live Q&A but that you find some useful information and you
know you apply that out in the field and it contributes to success I want to hear
about that I want to see the pictures I want to hear your story I actually get
more enjoyment out of your guys’s success and out of my hunting partner
success than I do out of my own that’s that’s just one thing that that I love I
remember how it was when I started I remember you know that that overwhelming
feeling of joy and accomplishment and what it took to put an animal like this
on the ground with a bow so I still remember that feeling I still remember
my first hunt and when I hear your guys’s stories it just it it just I just
get to relive that all over again and it’s absolutely awesome so are you a fan
of estrus bombs Adam I’m not sure estrus bombs is is oh are you talking about
that aerosol scent can ya the bombs I’ve never used one so I really can’t say one
way or another of how effective they are how well they work so how far out have
you had a bull respond a cow call um you know Edward honestly shoot 300 yards so
maybe maybe a little more so it really depends on again terrain where you’re at
how far that call is carrying you know if you’re if you’re in an elevated
position and you know there’s not much trees to really block that sound down
that cow call can actually drift all the way down to the bottom of that Canyon
and a bull can most certainly respond you know it aways down there so it again
that’s that’s really a tough question on how far because there’s there’s a lot of
factors that contribute you know to that are you on the top are you on the bottom
is it thick vegetation is it fairly open so so just remember if you’re elevated
with less what with less vegetation your sounds are going to carry out farther
and you’re going to be able to get rush responses from farther out so Stephen as
a solo hunter yes to set up before you call is critical in case that bull is
close and comes running in I now always look at cover before
I call absolutely so being prepared beforehand even even if you’re with a
hunting partner and you guys are gonna sit down and you’re gonna do a blind
calling scenario a blind calling setup get arrows not so because you you know
you you don’t know and that’s the thing with that blind calling is you don’t
know exactly where those elk are you don’t know how far they are out so same
thing with you know non-vocal elk early in the season or even you know now with
an area where there’s not a cow in estrus you don’t know how far out how
far they have to travel how fast they’re traveling which direction they’re coming
from that’s that’s all part of that excitement but yeah being ready before
you make a sound is really really critical be prepared before you get
going Jeremy did you shoot your goat no I haven’t been out yet
been focusing on elk it all depends you know like I said heading up Friday for
the long hunt hopefully can get the rest of the guys tagged out so that way then
I can switch gears and go chase and do spot in stock on the goat I’m excited to
get out there and do that so what’s your opinion on arrow selection so I prefer a
little heavier arrow arrow gentry I I want you know that little heavier arrow
I want wait I’m not worried about speed and in fact I try to keep my speed in
that to 72 to 75 range so I will actually do things to make that Aereo
arrow heavier so that I can stay in that speed range it just seems that range
there carries good kinetic energy it carries good momentum it breaks bones it
drives through so I’m gonna lean more towards the little heavier side you know
on the arrow so but I don’t go so drastic on the arrow that you know it’s
really arcing it you know thirty yards so best thing to do is match your arrow
wait with your bow to find that good happy mix to where you get good arrow
flight you get good kinetic energy you get good movement you have decent speed
there’s a lot of combinations that go into that wind is wallowing subside you
know they’ll still continue to wallow Stephen for a while cuz really on that
wallowing there’s a few different reasons that they’ll wallow reason one
is early in the season excuse me they’re wallowing to get that coat of
mud on them to keep flies off of them keep the bugs off of them but also
they’re doing it just like putting on cologne as an attractant scent just
getting stinky that’s why they pee in those wallows yeah so I sometimes some
of those wallows are just whoa you you know they’re pretty active just because
of the smell so but they can continue on using that wallowing you know until it
starts getting you know too cold so and I’ve even seen it with wallows where
first thing in the morning they had a small layer of ice on them and you know
come back by that wallow a little bit later and the ice is broken and has been
used so 800 yards on a cow call on certain days bernie hello brother just
got back wife tagged out with a mule deer awesome Congrats Adam yes Adam okay
thank you greetings brother Colorado Bulls are
just starting to get vocal been pretty slow so far cool so there’s another
reports now we have North Idaho and Colorado of Bulls starting to pick up on
their bugling activity with bad win that estrus and close the deal for me once
yeah and like I said I haven’t used you know that that estrus mom or whatever if
I get into areas where you know there’s a little bit of swirling wind or this or
that and that’s just where I have to go in you know I use I used the hot hot on
the trail sense I’ll actually you know take that stick and wipe it on four
trees around me so it’s on the outside of perimeter and
hopefully back and kind of help cover my scent a little bit
Josh Noel welcome brother Edward thank you going to help a disabled vet with
cancer on his elk on Friday Bernie that’s awesome best of luck to you guys
would you say marbles come in for you slinky and silent or bugling and loud
you know Kevin actually a majority for us as they come in bugling and loud so
just because of you know our our approach and in what we do with you know
that that breeding sequence it just just creates that that excitement so and and
gets them excited and gets part of you know their blood going and that’s what
raises their adrenaline and gets them bugling in vocal so if you have high
confidence in your cal calling and no confidence in your bugle abilities
Koenig I still call in bowls with only cow calls you you can I mean so you know
there’s there’s a few different approaches you know to calling an elk
one is bugle only that aggressive aggressive others is cow call only and
you know then there is using cow calls to set up bugles each one is effective
so when you limit yourself to only one if you limit yourself to only bugling or
only cow calling you can still be instilled you can still be successful
the only parameter is you have to find a bull that’s in that mindset at that day
and especially right now where we’re rolling into the peak rut where you have
bulls that already have a lot of cows sometimes only focusing on the cow calls
can be a little tough to you know pull those Bulls away but where you have that
herd bull with cows and then satellite Bulls scenario it’s a very effective to
pull those satellite Bulls in so because they kind of want cows for their own so
so absolutely you can still call in a bull with with only cow calls now the
other thing to remember Nick is you while you’re learning to bugle on a
diaphragm read there are tubes out there that have external reeds so you know
Rocky Mountain hunting calls has the selectable there’s the power bugle elk
nut has the chuckler xtr that has the conquer mouthpiece in it so those are
really user friendly and I know I know a few guys that will cow call on a
diaphragm Reed but they’ll bugle on that external external diaphragm type grunt
tuber bugle tube just because that’s what they have the confidence in and
it’s a great tool to use to allow you that confidence while you’re learning
how to bugle on a diaphragm Reed and I have some guys that all they use is you
know externals so and they’re successful with it so so don’t think that you have
to use a diaphragm Reed to be successful in hunting elk the diaphragm Reed is
nice because the versatility that allows you to go from cow calf calling right
into bugling and you’re completely hands-free that’s the advantage of the
diaphragm so I’m trying out to through the arrow broadhead I was hoping you had
some results Jeremy yes I do this past summer when I went to Wyoming
to do that seminar on the second day we actually did some broadhead testing we
got back at 40 yards we did a sound test to hear how loud the broadheads were and
then we also shot them into kind of some cultured stone type rocks just to see
how they would perform the tooth of the arrow performed really really well in
both tests so out even after shooting that block that head had just had a
couple of dings in the blades but still was definitely straight still spun spun
true and definitely you could sharpen those and reuse it so tooth of the arrow
is a really good broad head so Bonito 494 green full metal jacket with a kudu
point 250 feet per second okay or too slow now as long as you know when
actually since you’re shooting a – bleh single bevel I would actually prefer you
to be a little slower than that 275 so because the the one thing with a two
blade single bevel if your speed starts getting too high those two blades will
have a tendency to plane at longer distances so no I think your setup is
really really good if you could choose between a limb driven or a Down cable
arrow rest which would you choose I’m gonna choose limb driven I think they
actually just react a little faster so again personal preference from
experiences that I’ve had so especially with some of the bows coming on the
market today with the speeds that they have you want that fall away out of the
way quickly and that’s where a limb driven is going to benefit you on that
so okay I switch to the qad excellent groups and tough-as-nails thank you for
that tip not a problem Adam I love the qab Exodus qad is an amazing rest love
it Kevin I even shot the yeah I’d have shot the qat rest sorry
so Brandon Tony how you doing bud Scott what are your thoughts on mechanical
broadhead for L kill a bunch of bulls always fixed Scott I’m not a huge fan of
mechanical broadheads so I just heard I’ve never shot them they’re illegal in
Idaho I’ve just talked to too many people that do shoot them and I’ve just
heard too many horror stories and in my mind that’s just one more thing that’s
mechanical that’s just one more thing that can fail so even if mechanicals did
come legal here in Idaho I would still shoot a good fixed blade cut on contact
type broadhead just because I don’t have to worry about anything not opening I
don’t have to worry about any failures so again that’s that’s just my personal
preference so I know there’s plenty of guys out there that have shot
expandables that have had really really good luck good success with them so but
just my personal opinion I’m not a fan of mechanicals so
Exodus great bonehead a cow called in a nice Bowl this morning in 215 yards but
unfortunately he spotted me so that’s cool that still is successful hunt right
there so he’ll in New Mexico still quiet both starting to bugle last couple of
days so they’re starting to crank up in New Mexico – okay great info you’re
welcome thanks brother for all your tips absolutely
hey listen for all last-minute advice should be up camp in about two hours
hitting it hard Josh best of luck to you so safe travels
hopefully your arrow finds its mark and you guys have fine great success out
there that’s good I sniffling Andy we’re going to we’re gonna resurrect that so
mr. Lee cotton welcome Lonnie welcome I have a pro drop limb driven good rest
Fred Woodman the man the myth the legend how you doing Manny how you doing bud so
all right let’s see they’re starting to pick up on Yakima reservation also but
pressure is great natives everywhere like wolves keeping them on their toes
so okay so guys there’s northern Idaho Colorado New Mexico and Washington
everybody reporting that butyl activity is picking up so we definitely are
getting into that transition we are getting into the front of that peak rut
so this is when it’s going to get vocal this is when it’s going to get exciting
a lot a lot of calling activities are opportunities so with that increased in
calling it’s very very easy to get lost in the moment so you’re gonna be having
a ball you’re gonna have you’re having a lot of fun still take the time to
analyze the sounds that you’re hearing analyze what’s going on knowing what to
say back based on what you’re hearing and that’s really really going to
increase your guys’s chances of increased success I’ve I’ve been guilty
of it before where I just gotten into it and oh my god this is so much fun um still got a job to do okay heading to
southern Colorado Northrup Pagosa Springs tonight for a
seven-day archery hunt any advice Matt Melton yes go out and enjoy the
journey have a lot of fun take the time to watch the sunset as it comes up in
the morning just have fun be thankful for the opportunity that you’re out
there and yeah just breeding sequence so you know pay attention to the bull’s
hear what they’re doing kind of respond and that’s the other thing guys when
you’re doing this breeding sequence and you’re getting responses pay attention
to what that bull is really responding to so you know if if he’s if he’s
jumping on your cow sounds but you’re not getting any responses to your bugle
he’s telling you what he likes he’s telling you what he’s wanting to hear
pay attention to that give him what he likes give him what he’s responding to
now he may respond to both but maybe one is just a little more excited on the
response he’s gonna let you know what sound he likes and what mindset he’s in
so alright any tips for filling a cow tag going out here in Colorado this
weekend Dan if you’ve got a cow tag played to the maternal instincts of the
cow which basically means you’re gonna take your Reed and you’re just gonna
kind of start doing some distressed calf so that will play on the maternal
instincts of the calf they’re not sure if it’s one of the calves in their group
that’s in danger but they’re definitely going to be interested and play on that
maternal instinct for them to come in and see what’s going on with that
distressed calf himself okay what up man I didn’t give an ear for a moment man II
appreciate that which unit 581 okay and good luck man
things gonna be a quickie but I’ll be out in the woods so it’s all good
absolutely okay Gentry I’m not going to get my bow on I’m not going to show the
rest I know you’ve been asking a lot for me to do a video on my equipment so I
will do the video I’m not going to go pull it out right now so okay
a there we go sheep in my area they’re gone how long
does it screw the area Jeremy Elk can actually vacate the area well sure where
the Sheep came through and they may not come back in until that smell of the
Sheep really really subsides there’s there’s a huge difference between sheep
coming through an area and cattle coming through an area sheep it just looks like
this swather just came through and and just you know knocked it all down so it
may take a few days for that sheep smelled a really subside before they
start coming back in so mad Melton I just came from a date hunt there good
luck they were silent and far and few between
okay there’s a muzzleloader hunt before my hunt here in Arizona only 25 tags so
my hunt starts the 21st of September as others start the 14 do you think the
hunt will affect mine plus full moon on the 24th ha um you know Roger the muzzle
loader could have some effect I remember the year that I hunted Colorado we
actually had a muzzleloader hunt that started up right in the middle of the
season we still actually got Bulls to respond we still had good calling
activities even with a few of the muzzleloader shots so the thing that
I’ve noticed on the muzzleloader it’s it’s not like opening morning of rifle
it’s it’s not constant shots it’s not a constant barrage so may not affect them
much at all it really depends on how many muzzleloaders you have exactly
right in there where you’re hunting so and as far as the full moon actually the
full moon it’s really not that bad pay attention to the moon rise and moon set
if the full moon is rising you know 9 10 o’clock and staying up all night that’s
going to have an effect on the elk meaning they’re gonna be going to bed
earlier but remember to since they go to bed earlier they’re gonna get up during
the middle of the day and they’re gonna be pre active so
commendation for you Roger is leave camp in the dark come back in the dark stay
out there all day stay close to their bedding areas midday they’ll let you
know when they get up and start moving around because they’ll bugle and they’ll
start being pretty pretty vocal so midday time during a full moon is a
great effective time to kill elk but unfortunately so many people just have
that mentality of oh it’s a full moon we’re only going to be able to hunt the
first hour of the day in the last hour of the day the rest of the day is a
waste and they go back to camp not so much you’re missing some great
time so Ryan hey welcome buddy Zack hello so so yeah Roger leave camp in the
dark come back in the dark stay out there and be ready for midday activities
so can you explain and/or demonstrate a breeding sequence for us rookies Nick
unfortunately I’m gonna have to hold back on that one that’s some of the
stuff that I do teach in my private lessons that I do have students that pay
for those private one-on-one lessons if you definitely want know want to know
more about the breeding sequence or know more about those sounds or this or that
certainly certainly hit me up and we can talk about you know getting a lesson
scheduled so you don’t have to live in the Boise area because I use zoom video
conferencing for everybody that’s outside of the area and you also get a
recording of your lesson so I I I do apologize I got to kind of be aware of
some of those guys so want to get a new rest can’t decide on getting a ripcord
drive or a gen 7 paper trail I don’t have any experience with the gen7 vapor
trail I have shot the ripcord the ripcord is a good rest so I would say
really you know gentry go online do some research you know just type in Google
reviews and start reading what people are saying about both of those you know
go in and take a look at them at the shop see how both of them are made just
compare all the features side-by-side and kind of do a little bit of due
diligence on those two together compare price points features what they’re made
out of and check reviews of everybody else mr.
Brian Rachelle welcome congrats to you and your dad on your father and son
tandem there in Wyoming that is that is awesome I’m glad you guys were able to
get it done so alright I can’t wait to try out the all the gear from the
giveaway in New Mexico bull hunt oh yes that’s right Zach you won the the kill
kit the the starter kit yeah best of luck to you I gotta go but I
just want to say big Mahalo to you I’ve gotten into more bulls this year than I
ever have but Neto I love hearing that thank you best of luck to you and keep
at it so I thought I saw cool weather gonna bring them lower not necessarily
so just because the weather gets cool isn’t gonna push him down because they
still have access to all their feed they still have access to all that the snow
is what really drives them down once the snow starts piling deep and it gets
tougher for them to get access to the food then they’re gonna start moving to
lower elevations to get into food that’s easier for them to get so so just
because the weather cools off no in fact the weather cooling off is actually
going to get them to be a little more mobile a little more active so ham ski
gentry so yes ham ski is actually the rest that I’m shooting right now so
Jeremy good recommendation there so alright guys we are at that hour and
five mark so external calls versus Reed calls Brady I’m a fan of diaphragm
Reed’s just because you know the versatility of them you know going from
your cow calf sounds right in your bugles but plus being being hands-free
but I do know that some people have an extreme gag reflex or maybe they’re
allergic to latex and they can’t use a diaphragm Reed you can still be
effective with the external Reed calls whether that’s an external Reed alcohol
or an external review –gel I do carry an external external Reed Cal call with
me it’s it’s always in my pack sometimes it’s nice to bring out
– you know give a little different pitch little different tone so but yeah I
prefer diaphragm read calls so okay Friday’s video is the full-on review of
the wraptor system from blacks Creek guide gear so that will go live at 6
o’clock on both YouTube and Facebook so next week there will be no Wapiti
Wednesday QA sorry guys I am going to spend a few days up in the hills calling
for my partners unless we can get it done before then if we do get it done
before them and I come home definitely watch either the Facebook page or the
Instagram page and I will make an announcement that Wapiti Wednesday but
for right now no Wapiti Wednesday live Q&A next week but we will pick it back
up the week after so Benito seems like full moon during a hunt isn’t as bad as
people make it out to be just switch up your strategy to catch them moving
around noon and getting up early in the evening
absolutely so alright guys I am going to wrap this one up for tonight again I
appreciate each and every one of you for tuning in appreciate the questions love
the interaction so all of you best of luck
safe travels have fun out there okay don’t be so focused on the success that
you lose sight of the journey so enjoy your time out there enjoy your time with
family and your family and friends it’s a great time to be out there definitely
a great time to build and strengthen those relationships so Roger thank you
so much for your time very much appreciated good luck on your on your
guide thank you Michael things Michael hope you have success on your trip thank
you thank you so all of you guys have a great night as always thanks for tuning
in as always keep calling keep practicing but most importantly guys
have fun we’ll see on the next Wapiti Wednesday live Q&A brought to you by Elk
Calling Academy have a great night everybody

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