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Our real Brexit crisis: ’No one cares anymore’ | Anywhere but Westminster

October 9, 2019


Anywhere but Westminster
began 10 years ago speaking to people on the street about
politics and exploring the gap between politicians, the media and the rest of
the country. Now the ruling party wants to use that same gap
to have a people versus parliament election, it’s time for us to get back on the road. Sorry to interrupt,
we work for the Guardian, the newspaper … We’ve got somewhere to be, apologies. No, no bother. We all have. I think we’ve reached the end of this. I really do. What’s the way out of the mess this country’s in? Oh my days, I can’t answer that. This whole vox pop thing …
we don’t know what we’re asking people. If we ask them all the old questions,
we know what all the old answers are, right? And they haven’t really got
anything to say to us about anything because they don’t know either. He says what it is. And what is it? Well, he speaks the truth. Politicians … you can’t trust them, can you? You know, we’re on the coattails
of Europe, run by their rules and tariffs and once that’s gone, I think the sky is the limit. Very good. Right, we’ve got to go, sir. Lovely talking to you, thank you. It doesn’t work. It picks up interference. I want his voice booming out
across this Middle English high street, do you know what I mean? Radio: I give notice that Boris Johnson is elected as
the leader of the Conservative party. Our new prime minister. Boris Johnson on radio: I say to all the doubters, dude,
we are going to energise the country! Boris Johnson on radio: We are going to
get Brexit done on October 31st and take advantage of all the
opportunities that it will bring in a new spirit of can do. He says the thing about Britons … We’ve got have more belief in ourselves, positive thinking. You’ve got to seize the day. I’ve been here five years
and I’ve had nothing but problem. Why did you come here? Because I got transferred, housing situation …
I ain’t getting no luck with jobs. You are out of work at the moment? I am, yeah, I’m on universal credit. Are you? Benefit mashed it up for me. You know, sanctioned me. From when they’ve sanctioned you, you know, you’re getting into debt. I’m homeless, even though I don’t look it, but,
I mean, I am sofa surfing, I’m a single parent. And when you last worked what
were you doing? Parcel company. You see what it is as well, yeah,
I say this in the camera as well, yeah, people like to judge, yeah,
people like to judge from the colour of your skin, from the way you dress, from your lingo, yeah? I’m a carer. That’s what I was doing in London. Right, so you moved up
here because you’d have better housing here and you’ve ended up with no housing
at all and no job. I’m a trained carer. And you could be doing the world some good. For eight years.
I’ve got eight years’ experience. Man, I’m crumbling. We came here a week before the 2015
election when Britain was at a real fork in the road. The Tories were not only promising a
referendum on the EU but whipping up the sort of resentments that
have led us to where we are. The place you get a sort of politics
of low-level grievance, it tends to be aimed in
particular groups of people, you can probably guess who they are. Benefit claimants, immigrants… These people are not starving,
they’re never going to starve, they probably buy cigarettes
and then they go to the food bank. There’s no excuse in this
country to be hungry, I don’t think. Their benefits are so high,
they don’t want to go to work. We’ve got all these immigrants, you know, I’m not anti-immigrant,
but what they don’t want to improve is the infrastructure, schools, doctors… Let’s face it, Scotland have so much for free and yet, they’re all on the back of our taxes. I’m only laughing at the absurdity of it all. Something very, very serious
is bubbling away under it all. I really feel the UK starting to
pull apart like never before. Well, it’s a wet Monday afternoon. This is a Tory-held seat and yet people are gathering
in Macclesfield, in Cheshire. It’s a very pragmatic town that lets an
awful lot go by so, the fact that 100 people
have come out is pretty something. We have to show that we are against it. If you keep focusing on my T-shirt,
it means I’ve got Parkinson’s. If there’s ever any problems
with the supply of drugs, bye bye. God, this is very real for you. This is very real for both of us. I’m frightened. Jacob Rees-Mogg on radio:
I must confess Mr Speaker, I’m surprised by my right honorable
friend’s astonishment because I’ve been making the case
for WTO rules for some time. There’s no sense of the gravity
of the moment, this is all a game, this is what happens when you put
public schoolboys in charge. It’s just all knockabout and bon mots and quips and all that. And there’s no sense of, you know,
there are people who are really, really worried whether their Parkinson’s medication
is going to be available or there’s gonna be food shortages. This is all being talked about as a sort of ‘aristo’ knockabout. It’s sickening, that’s what it is. So, in the midst of all this noise about
Brexit, parliamentary motions and all that, we’ve had a call from Charlie. He’s a fella we met about six months ago. He was struggling to make ends meet
on universal credit and angry at the mess the government had made of both the benefits system and Brexit,
which he voted for. Hi, how are you doing? I am all right, John, thanks.
Thanks for coming. Tell me why you got back in touch with us. I went for a job and it was advertised
as full-time, 40 hours, and it was an agency. I did two weeks then I just kept
getting texts often … ‘Hi Charlie, just to let
you know no work tomorrow morning.’ You’re thinking you’re clocking on, at what,
8 o’clock the following morning? And at half past midnight
you get a message saying: ‘Hi mate, don’t go
work in morning please.’ And that means you’re not getting paid, right? Yeah. And then there’s quite
a few of these below that, right? ‘Orders have dropped,
I’m having to cancel a few people tonight.’ Keep going … ‘Is there work today?’ That’s you. ‘No, there isn’t today, mate.’ Next one, ‘Hi mate …’ ‘Hi. Please don’t go work tomorrow.
I’ll ring you sometime during the day.’ But I didn’t get a phone call. But how can you even budget
through the week? I can’t budget during the week. I’ve got potatoes and carrots instead of buying bottles of milk, you can make up to about 10 or 11
pints with that. I’m not a baker,
but I’ve got this mincemeat and I keep going,
I’ll split that packet into four. Now, I know it’s not a meal
but when you’re hungry … All I’m doing now,
and I don’t want to be a martyr, I’m just eating to stay alive. I didn’t go out of the house for three weeks. No appointments on my phone
so I stayed in the house. Because if you’re moving about, it burns
what you’ve eaten in the morning, it burns it off. Christ. And how much do you owe your landlord? £2,475. And he is threatening you with eviction by when? Well, I’ve got the eviction order. ‘You are required to leave the below
address after the 4th of October 2019.’ How do you feel about a system that
instructs you to take a job, you take the job and you end up in an even
worse position than you were in to start with? I’m not a suicidal person but I can
I can understand why people … I mean, I’ve not got mental health issues yet. I do worry, I do worry where it’s all going. How do you feel about
the state of the country and politics? I think somebody’s going to get killed. You think things are sort of spinning
out of control? They are spinning. Everybody needs to have half
an hour reflecting what they said. But you want Brexit to happen? I wanted to leave. The leave that I wanted has been twisted. If there was a ballot paper in front of you now with
leave or remain, which one would you pick? I would just pick remain. Would you? Just for all this to stop. When you voted to leave
what was your hope for the country? I wanted us to be fairer,
we can make our own laws and thingy, there should be a caring, like you two
came up today, I know you’re going round but you took an
interest in me and that’s made my … I don’t know, it’s made my day. It always brings down to me the misery of
the autumn being here. The conference venue. The millions that are in food banks,
the millions that are homeless in our streets … all the degradation he’s caused, the racism he’s caused. All these difficulties that
people have experienced, a lot of it has been blamed on immigrants. I’ve been called the C-word
and told to go back to my effing country. I’ve sort of spent the best years of
my life working for the NHS in this country. I was actually asked to stay after
I finished my PhD. Just before Brexit, I felt for the
first time ever, and I had been here for almost 20 years, that I didn’t want to speak,
I didn’t want people to pick up that I had an accent. Are you going to be able to stay?
Do you know that, if there’s a no-deal Brexit? I don’t know whether I want to stay,
that’s the main thing. Wow! Of course, are you surprised? No, I’m not surprised. I’ve lost all my sense of security
and sense of belonging. I love this country so much and I felt so welcomed
and so appreciated and I don’t anymore. At all. Some people would have you believe that
conservatism under Cameron and Osborne was very different from the 2019 version
but the seeds of where the Tories and Britain have ended up were planted when
they were in charge. Britain is on the right track. Capping welfare, we’ve cut immigration by a third. We are the party of hard-working people
and to anyone who questions that, take your argument to Bury or Morecambe. We were talking about today that everyone was getting money off the government, benefits and stuff. We’ve spent too much money
on the benefits system as a country. Yes, we do spend a lot. Why should people from other
countries come to our country and be able to claim our benefits? If someone else has got to work for you,
you can fuck off and make it yourself. I remember that. Did we? We hit the town and we talk to people
and we try and thereby divine what’s going on. I’m, you know, a bright woman,
I can, you know, I’m OK with this sort of stuff
and I am just confused, I think, at this point. What’s the question? You don’t even know what the question is. Come on, man, it’s not a big deal. Excuse me! No, I’d rather not. I wonder what you think
of the state of the country at the minute. I almost get the sense
that people know that people like me, talking to people like them
about what people think, is sort of, it’s been done, you know? Oh, I get it you want one of them things
where I tell you what I think about Brexit. No one really cares anymore. About what? Anything. At all! Tell me more about what kind of society
you would like to live in. People look after each other,
it’s not all about what I want, it’s about what’s good for everyone. Brilliant. Hang in there. It probably is that bad, but hang in there anyway. Do you have a sense of the future of the country
in the next five or 10 years, looking ahead? I just wonder how you feel. Nobody can say what it will be like
in five years’ time. What else are we going to lose? It’s almost like we’re living
in the aftermath already though, isn’t it? Do you know what I mean? Like it’s happened already. Like all of these dysfunctional,
crappy bits of English society that were just, you know,
festering tensions that were left and made worse by austerity and all that,
and they sort of exploded in 2016. And I think everything else is aftermath now. Isn’t it?

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  1. To be fair one of the reasons Charlie can't find work is because of high levels of unskilled imigration imposed by the EU. Nobody should blame the immigrants directly (they are only looking for a better life) but It does flood the market with excess labour, more than there are jobs for. So we end up with people like Charlie in 2019, on the edge, fighting to find work. One more reasons why we must leave the EU.

  2. The real crisis? Through all the lies, false claims, false enemies we're now left in some form of Nihilistic vacuum. The fact that human mentality will more likely double down then admit to making a mistake. We're in the post-truth era, where you'll win if you repeat the same thing over and over, without scrutiny.

  3. Truth 3 yrs of waist 36 billion given away would of re-created all these towns city's… Agency's run on a byass selection system young British force to work out on towns while immigrants are appeased within local firms…

  4. These communities are been ignored by there council's.. Shop rates to high for buniness to compete… Been left to force there choice to change… Councils playing political games with peoples life's… Truth

  5. Got a question for John and John? Or a suggestion of where they should go and who they should talk to? Comment below and let us know.

  6. Not going out for a walk to economize on food? What a weird idea..

    We all need a minimum of exercise everyday and that helps the body regulate itself better, so you won't need more energy especially, and on the contrary it's probably going to give you only benefits.

  7. Lingering shoots of concerned journalist with sad music playing after he makes his statements. I wish the guardian would admit that without the downtrodden their rag wouldnt exist.

  8. For the Guardian to admit that no one cares about Brexit is enlightening because the Guardian will pick up anti Labour vibes quicker than most others members of the media and much quicker than Parliament. The Labour vote may be flagging as far as Brexit is concerned but makes no memtion of the growing number of people, leave and remain who just want to see democracy done, a General Election please

  9. 1:05 "We're on the coatails of Europe, guided by their rules and tariffs", pretty sure we operate under no tariffs at the moment mate – this will happen once we leave

  10. Please continue to keep this series as objective as possible. You are doing a very important job of informing the public over the range of opinions in our country.

  11. ITS NOTHING TO DO WITH BREXIT ???before we had a vote universal credits was already in>>> so stop blaming brexit ffs >>we lost jobs 25 years ago and guess what were were in the eu so its funny all the bs that comes out of peoples mouths we have been loosing jobs for many of years coal was a big loss fisher men were a big loss i can keep going >>>BUT GUESS WHAT WE WERE AND STILL ARE IN THE EU >>even thought by law we were out on the 29th of march

  12. It’s funny, people are so sure their views are right even though they have not a shred of evidence to back up their statements. It’s no wonder Britain is in the political mess that it’s in.

    If people can’t be bothered to check to see if their views are views worth holding then frankly they should keep that view to themselves or admit before making a comment on the topic they don’t no but….. because Democracy doesn’t work if you don’t take an active roll in it and brexit just proves this as you hear the same arguments time and time again that have been proven incorrect countless times over

  13. Poor Charlie, if Neu Labore hadn't let some many illegal immigrants into the country then the state would be in a better position to look after him. I feel for his situation. Tony B Liar you have a lot to answer for.

  14. All political systems are broken but it's what we've got and it kind of just about works and we get by, real change will come form a completely new social structure, it could be digital I honestly don't know but ATM we require the normal working people of the planet to take charge at ground level a bit more, stop consuming, stop wasteing money, stop being wasteful, treat people better, educate yourself and stop makeing excuses and blaming the top, vote with your money, build people up, make a real difference

  15. It's the plan divide and conquer,they want us to fight,climate change is a big part of bringing evermore control over us.
    Maurice Strong the father of it gave this speech.

    “In order to save the planet, the group [GIM] decides: Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring this about? This group of world leaders [GIM] forms a secret society to bring about an economic collapse.”

    Maurice Strong – regarding Generation Investment Management LLP

  16. All the lonely people.

    I'm starting to understand how feeling insignificant can make a person want to kick the wrong entity.

    It's the Tories that made us feel like it was every man for themselves. Being aware of, and interested in, the problems of another person is what holds that lonely desperation at bay. Zero hour contracts are not an EU thing. The phenomenon is a product of the uncaring capitalism of the Tories.

  17. There are many who face hardships like this in England. Even in London. Where’s all the money going? To the finance institutions/bankers and secret accounts in tax havens.

  18. Pay attention this could lead the world into a depression hence why they put thi illegitimate psychopath president in office in the states

  19. Remainders are fearful people. They are consumed by fear that leaving the EU Soviet Union will end the world. They don't see the burdens the EU has imposed that caused the UK's decline and eventually demise if allowed to continue. The mess is caused by politicians who don't want to carry out the people's mandate of Britain's exit from the EU.

  20. Japan is full of Japanese, China is full of Chinese. Do they have to let millions of illegal immigrants in?? 🇬🇧🙏🏼🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✝️

  21. No, that is not what is wrong with Britain in one person, that's what's wrong with that person in his person. If he is on benefits and a single parent he should not be smoking and walking around like a big shot, but humbly be looking for a job. He is on benefits and has the guts to criticize the working people. What a waste of space. Who in their right minds think that Britain is to be blamed for that loser? I have friends who went to London without even speaking the language and managed to work and build a life for themselves they could have never dreamed of back home.. this is all nonsense..

  22. haha, John didn't like the respinses he got in the local town centre so sulked for ages, not asking anyone else (white), until he came across a dark skinned chap

  23. No deal is not a clean break. If you thought a two year transition period would be bad wait until the decades of chaos that no deal will initiate

  24. I’ve always enjoyed this series, but the weakness for me was the daytime High Street demographic is not particularly representative. BBC even worse with constant safaris to Grimsby and Barnsley to seek out authentic gammons. But you do identify some really interesting individual problems

  25. I'm so sick of the whole thing, I want us to stay in on Oct 31, or leave. I've lost the will to care anymore. I just want a decision so that we can get on with our lives.

  26. Change "foreigners" to "English" see how they feel then. Brexit is an English issue. It just happens to affect the other 3 countries.

  27. A Brexiteer about to starve in the streets. After the referendum companies began to leave the UK for economically more secure countries. He voted for that and after no-deal Brexit more will be in the same situation. Brits voted Brexit, they voted Tory. Now they get what they voted for.

  28. To watch Charlie scratching around trying to make his food last is soul destroying. How many thousands of kids tonight are going to bed hungry.

  29. Weariness that the conservative party is set to destroy the UK economy and is the biggest threat to UK sovereignty in hundreds of years. Weary that such corrupt politicians are allowed to continue with their asset stripping operation.
    I CARE.

  30. Booze fueled illiterates and ignoramii waxing profound on 'woots gone wrong'. Your children will devour you. Wait and see😯

  31. Passerby: "There is no excuse for people to be hungry in this country" Absolutely heartless and naive. I hope he cringes at that comment in years to come.

  32. I am in tears hearing Charilie (c 6m 20s). I'm a stoic bloke and been around the block a few times. But sometimes it's not the extraordinary human fight for survival in a war or disaster zone that gets you. It's when the quiet desperation is experienced behind walls or normality and nobody pays much attention. I am more convinced than ever that it is not about the Governments we elect, but who we are, that elects the Government. Community, care, connectedness and compassion is only really experienced at a local level. We all need to rethink this.

  33. I bloody well care ! Give us a second referendum!! The 2016 referendum was illegal because it broke all British election commission expenses laws and data protection laws using stolen Facebook data to micro target voters into voting against their own best interests.

  34. John and John respond to your comments and give an update on Charlie in a special episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vke_jagbJ40

  35. Damn I feel for Charlie. I'm American but I try to keep up with the British the best I can and I hope yall work yourselves out soon

  36. This country needs a strong patriotic leader to remove the detritus from our parliament and control the greed of the oligarchs.

  37. "John judges people". "John trys to be a saint." Human beings are selfish. When it comes to it you will be too as you see it in others.

  38. The UK is the logical terminus of the welfare state, social parasites demanding they be provided everything they want at the expense of the productive and successful.

  39. "what's going on?" – outside the M25 as within the M25 people are just getting on with their boring lives and are generally sick with the endless BREXIT coverage – the fact that nearly three and a half years later there is possibly no end to all this in sight is creating apathy.I vote remain but am at the stage of being happy to leave without a deal if it means we move on.

  40. Whiners. Come to America. No one has welfare, no nhs, lots of homeless, high rents, gun violence. England seems like a vacation.

  41. Why should we have socialism for millionaires and pull yourselves up by the bootstraps for the rest of us? US born millionaire Boris does NOT represent the 99%.

  42. Labour now wants people from other countries who aren't citizens to be allowed to vote! VOTE WINNER OR WHAT? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

  43. i'll probably get bashed for saying this but here goes.The lad in Nuneaton says he has 8 years experience as a carer but is out of work.Whenever I switch LBC on between 1-4 the presenter (Shelagh Fogarty) always uses the care sector as an example of labour shortage.She often states we have tens of thousands of vacancies in this sector.If she is correct he should be able to find work.If he is correct is she telling a huge lie? Views in 2019 are so polarised it's difficult to see who is telling the truth.

  44. The Guardian wishing into reality their own headlines. Do not underestimate how much people care, still do care. Brexit is coming.

  45. The same thing has been going on here in the United States since Reagan. Companies like Amazon, GE, they do not pay taxes they get corporate welfare. But they will focus on a 70-year-old woman getting an extra $50 in food stamps a month.And scream how she’s ripping the taxpayer off. Meanwhile hundreds of companies in the United States do not pay taxes.

  46. This video bought me to the verge of tears if I'm honest, tears of; frustration, sadness and humiliation for a Country I was once proud to say I was born in.

  47. The curse of the conservative narrative across the modern western world. Get people to antagonize each other so they don't notice when they're getting ripped off by the people making money off of their misery.

  48. For Charlie, Brexit isnt even the issue; it's neoliberalism/fiscal conservatism/capitalism, whatever you want to call it. This is the case for most of the issues people raise, yet those same people simply won't acknowledge that the problem is the economic system we're all supposed to praise.

    Why should people in foreign countries be forced to tolerate our exported wars, labour exploitation and general waste?

  49. Love the title. Still waiting for Brexit.

    3 & 1/2 years after Brexit i’m eagerly awaiting new report.

    Brexit debate has become depressing because the debate was finished 2016.

    Everything since has been toys out of pram.

    Reminds me of how i would behave loosing a football match in the playground to the worse team.

    So i perceived it.

    Years later i see clearly.

    It did not matter

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