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Archery | Injuries and Overbowing

August 14, 2019


One of the reasons why some people are
hesitant to get into sports is because of injury. A lot of sports, contact and
non-contact, do carry a risk of injury, and that’s part of sports. Training and
recovery involves a lot of management to ensure that the athlete’s body is in
good condition and that they can perform and minimize the risk of injury. Archery is appealing because it’s not
one of the sports that get you injured. It carries a label as being one of the safer
sports, and in a supervised environment there’s practically no risk to anybody else.
At worst, your injuries may include a string slap or sore fingers. Yes, there’s the
occasional photo of someone piercing their hand with an arrow, but those are very
rare, and they can be easily avoided. What I’m going to focus on in this video is
probably the most common injury that an archer may experience, especially if you’re new.
This is still a very uncommon injury, especially if you’ve been trained, but it
can happen if you’re doing something wrong. This injury happens in the shoulders,
especially the rotator cuff. Some people report pains in the drawing shoulder, while
it can happen in the bow shoulder as well depending what the cause is. You can recognize symptoms of shoulder
injury by persistent obvious pain. I’m not talking about feeling sore from
doing a shooting session. That’s quite normal, especially if you haven’t worked out
your archery muscles. I’m talking about a consistent pain that can be felt
throughout the day and night. Given the limited motion involved in archery,
this is pretty much the only injury that really happens, and with proper training
it practically never happens. Instead this is more likely if you’re
shooting with incorrect form. I want to demonstrate the drawing technique without
looking too indecent. There are some variations of drawing technique depending on
how you train, but all of them engage the same specific muscle groups. Basically, what
you’re doing is squeezing your shoulder blades together, and that engages the back muscles.
You really feel that pressure on your rhomboids which are around here.
So when you set the scapula correctly, you feel that back muscle engage. This
particular muscle group is what you’re feeling most of the weight on. The other thing to
keep in mind is that you want to keep the push-pull forces equals. So, you
don’t want to push too hard with one arm or draw too hard with one arm. You want to keep it
equal during the shot sequence. First I’ll do a front demonstration. What I’m looking for
in a draw from this angle is this movement. I start with my arm slightly raised.
The elbow high, and i’m going to rotate my drawing shoulder. So, I’m going to come in
like this. I’m going to set my scapula around here. See that that movement?
The scapular is set..there, and then I lock my anchor in and transfer the weight onto my
rhomboids. So, it’s not a straight motion where I go from here to here then let
go, but rather I’m coming in, I’m setting my shoulder in like this, and then I’m
setting the holding weight on my rhomboids. So I can feel it without holding the bow.
I can feel that my back is engaged around here. So, let’s do it with the
bow. This is my usual 40 pound bow, I’m going to do exactly what I just said with the bow. I raise the bow, starting high, nose high.
I come in, set, and then holding position. OK! Next we’ll go to the back view.
Again, watch the placement of the scapula and the pressure on the rhomboids.
I’m using the bow. I’m going to shoot
[away from camera] so you can see a good view of my drawing shoulder.
I raise the bow and do the the shot. I’ll do it again. Set postion. and again… If you do this correctly, you feel the
tension in your back. You start feeling a little sore around… here during the
shooting session, and that’s fine. That’s normal. That’s the good sort of pain. Keep on
doing that, and you’ll be working up your archery muscles. However, if you feel the pain somewhere
else then you may be doing something wrong. If you’re feeling pain in your front shoulder, this may be due to too much push.
This may be due to forcing your shoulder or arm too far forward trying to get the bow
to full draw. So, instead of doing the correct draw where everything is balanced, you may be
drawing and then pushing too far forward. Now, you feel that tension if you do this
the incorrect way. If you put too much tension in your arm, you feel it in a lot of
places. You feel it in your shoulder, you feel it in your hand especially, and you may
feel it in your elbow joint. It’s also a problem when you’re using a clicker because
some people may need to get through the extra centimeter on the clicker. So they
might try to squeeze through by pushing just…that bit further to get that last
centimeter. Another cause is improper alignment. You may find that your
shoulder is turned too far around your body. You’re popping out like this.
So rather than having that bone-on-bone straightness, you’re having your shoulder
popped out, and it’s putting extra tension on the shoulder muscles like
this. This can also happen if you have a habit of leaning backwards.
So, again, instead of having that bone-on-bone alignment through your arm,
through your shoulder, through your back, you’re putting tension on the wrong muscles.
So, your shoulder’s popping out, and that extra tension is placed…there.
If we take a look at the drawing shoulder, you may feel pain around here. Now this
often isn’t a good sign either. I find this is often caused by the archer not
stretching out enough or otherwise not having the correct back muscle engagement.
So rather than setting your scapula correctly and setting the weight on the back muscle here,
the archer is still essentially pulling. This is a common form fault.
You have to transfer from the draw to the holding position, and some
people, especially when they first learn, they skip that. They go straight from here to here, and
they’re still pulling. I’ll show you using the stretching band. The motion I see that
indicates form fault is this: You pull and then basically they keep on
pulling. There’s no back tension. They are continuing the draw. Now, this is a huge problem because, again,
you lose that bone-on-bone connection. So rather than have everything perfectly aligned,
you have this arm sticking out, and it’s still there. So if I turn around for the
back view, you can see that as I’n shooting from a compressed position, rather than
engaging my back muscles, I’m doing this. I’m going eeaaah, and we see
here I’m still pulling with this arm. So all the pressure is here and here.
Basically your body isn’t working efficiently. It’s fighting against the
bow. It’s fighting against itself. You especially feel it when you try to expand,
and instead of the shoulder blades coming together like it should be,
your drawing motion becomes unbalanced on one side. These are generally seen as form
faults, and with the correct training and practice you can fix these faults.
It’s normal to feel sore, even in the shoulders if you had a bad day, and you’re not
shooting with the perfect correct form. That’s normal.
That’s the way your body gives you feedback. There’s the right sort of pain which is
mostly focused on the upper back and the rhomboids, and then there’s the sharper
pain which you might feel in your shoulders, and that’s an indication that you may be
doing something wrong. Now, this sort of thing usually wont
cause injury unless it’s a chronic problem, and you’ve been doing it for a long time. However, there is something that really
makes it an immediate problem: Draw weight. Now, I admit I’m a little strict on people who start on a
higher draw weight. I’m talking about over 40 pounds. For a first bow, especially, and
the reason is because the higher amount of stress involved on your body.
If you’re not shooting with correct form, and you’re making mistakes in your shot process
like the ones I mentioned before, you’re far more likely to cause damage to your
shoulders. Even compound shooters face the same problem. Even though you
might have a higher let-off, you are still pulling 50-60 pounds, and it’s the
same motion. So if you’re a small person, especially, and I’m a small guy, but if
you’re smaller than me and not well-built, keep in mind that drawing a 60-pound bow
is going to take a lot out of you. Combine that with the wrong technique and
you may seriously cause muscle damage that can put you out of archery.
I really want to reinforce the notion of picking a reasonable draw weight.
From a coaching point of view, it’s really hard to teach someone to break habits and use
good technique if they can’t control their bow, if they can’t control their draw weight.
If the draw weight is too high, this what we call “over bowing” There’s never a situation, in my opinion, where
you should get a high-powered bow to *learn* with. This is why we suggest people start low.
It’s easier to correct form faults, and it’s easier on the body,
and over time the archer will develop the strength and technique so that they
can progress to a heavier bow. This also means that you may be buying
multiple bows! You may have to get different limbs or a different bow entirely.
This is normal. This is the way archers progress through their equipment.
Try to get out of your mind that you’re buying one bow for life. That one single
definitive purchase. No. If you want to take archery seriously, and you want to grow
from being this weak, noodle-armed stick figure to having the right muscles for archery, you will have to buy different
equipment as you progress. If you just go “oh I want to go hunting, I need a 50-pound bow!”
and you buy that straightaway with no training and no strength and no stamina
and no technique, then you are going to risk serious injury! It’s just like lifting weights.
You can’t start too high too soon or you will hurt yourself. A lot of people
(I notice field archers tend to do this) will push that you go for the higher poundage and
that you can “get used to it” within a few months,. Yes, you can, but on the
other side of the spectrum I’m erring on the side of caution because I know
from experience most adults can’t handle that high weight. I’d much rather see someone
start low and learn to shoot safely and enjoy the experience, than to see someone
fight against their own bow and risk injury. It’s fairly common to see someone with a
55-pound bow, recurve or compound, doing this. They’re trying SO hard to
pull the bow back and they can’t. Even the recurve hunters…. That’s as far as they can go.
They’ll tell that person to stop shooting immediately! Because it’s going to cause injury.
They’ll tell you to drop the bow and pick up a lighter 18-20 pound club bow,
and, look, it doesn’t matter if it hurts your ego. We’re not
going to let someone tear their own muscles shooting an overpowered bow for
absolutely no reason. To sum up, there are a couple of things you need to
do to avoid shoulder injuries: Firstly, make sure you are using a draw
weight you can reasonably handle. Secondly, make sure your form is correct.
Too much tension on the shoulder or the wrong alignment can lead to having too much
stress on the wrong muscle groups and causing muscle tears.
If you do feel chronic pain, consult your physio/doctor. It’s not a normal part of archery.
It’s NOT a normal part of archery. You may have an injury. It’s much better to do it
right and avoid hurting yourself than going down the long road of rehabilitation. Anyway, this is NUSensei.
I hope you found this helpful. Thanks for watching,
and I’ll see you next time.

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  1. First time I used a hook release, I didn't realize the hook wasn't worn down enough to use (hook looked more like a L then a J) and ended up sucker punching myself in the face :/

  2. Thanks, I have never thought of it as drawing, then a transfer to the rhomboids to hold, although I am familiar with the concept of back tension.  I will try to focus on this and see how it goes.  I am a trad shooter, and I think that when you choose that path, in some clubs they kind of give up on you and stop trying to teach you good form.

    At 2:20 I think you are indicating your lats, no?  Rhomboids are between your shoulder blades as you mentioned earlier.  Do the lats come into play to pull the shoulder down?

  3. Can you overbow on a crossbow? Im just starting out and i bought a 150lbs crossbow, im a pretty big strong guy so i think it shouldn't be a problem. Thanks!

  4. Dear nusensei
    I've been having problems with my bow holding arm, it hurts not just on the top of the shoulder but on the underside too. I stayed off archery for 2 months using voltarol etc and it hasn't got better, do you have any advice.

    P.s Ive checked what you've talked about, asked my coach, and he says my technique is fine, do I'm stuck for what the problem is.

    Thanks
    Thomas

  5. 20lb is enough for any beginning adult. People forget: they are learning form vs trying to fight a "manly" or macho pound bows.

    I have a set of 18lb limbs for indoor bedroom "range". I use 28lb outdoor. I have a set of 38lb limbs and a 50lb bow (garage sales) I shoot +6 shots from time to time just to stress the muscles a tiny bit.

  6. I was given an Inno Max with Ex Power limbs at 32# for Xmas. After training for a while my coach and I decided it would be wise to get SF 26# limbs while perfecting my form. Then I can build back up to 32# (I find the Bow Trainer helpful in building upper body strength).

  7. A lot of great information in your videos, especially for beginner archers such as myself. Off topic from this particular video, just happened to be the most recent vidoe I found…In my research, I am finding different information regarding the actual length of the bow itself reletive to the height of the individual. This different information has left me a little confused on the do's, and don'ts, and if any of them hold weight. Do you think it would be possible for you to post a video on the subject?

  8. Sensei, being 6'1" and weighing 195 and a beginner, it's hard on my ego to accept having a 22lbs draw weight. Thanks, you just explained very clearly why the salesman insisted on this draw weight. I thought he was preparing his next sale.

  9. Wil Wheaton is probably happy you helped contribute to season 3 🙂  I take it you enjoy his shows as I do as well 🙂  

    I totally agree about learning on a lower powered bow and establishing good form and technique.  This is true for almost any sport where equipment is involved.

    In music though, getting that expensive guitar you intend to keep forever to learn on can be helpful because their play-ability is often better than a cheap newbie guitar where you have to press harder and it hurts your fingers more.

    In both situations, the equipment doesn't make you better, but learning how to use them properly and consistent practice does.  But of course, you already know this 🙂

  10. Love the tabletop shirt. Oh, and your videos have been massively helpful also I guess =]. I actually couldn't find a 40 lb bow in my area, so I started with a Samick Sage 45 lb. The place I bought the bow at was super helpful and made sure that I was drawing properly and all that. It's nice having a place nearby with people who actually care.

  11. well I started with 80 pounds and had a little pain in the schoulders, but that was mainly the immobility in the ankered position.I shot 80 for a month and after that I knew my bow very well, it was normals.few weeks ago I ordered 90lbs and 80 is so easy to pull and to let down.I would say, you have to have a perfekt feeling for your body.

  12. hi! I enjoy your video's not too difficult to understand, no nonsens ,en sensible.  
    greetings from Holland .

  13. My dads friends friend was a archer and he used a recurve at 20 lbs then his tried his friends compound and tore his shoulder muscles! had to be in hospital for a few days! Thats a nice story to stop people from using bows that are too strong!

  14. Hi NUSensei, can you tell me what's the name of that exercise accessory you were using from min 7? I'm using a simple stretching tape, but I have been looking for something like this, however I couldn't find it. I was trying on eBay, but couldn't find, probably because i didn't tried the right search words. So if you could tell me how it is called and what to search it would be great… Thanks!

  15. it never happened to me before. my wrist hurt when i draw, i'm not sure whether its my shooting form or is that a common problem in archery?
    i shot 20lb samick sage

  16. thank you for ALL  your videos, so informative and so helpful – you answer all the questions that people don't like to ask for fear of looking stupid

  17. Just wanted to mention the muscle group you referred to at 2:20 is not your rhomboids. You are touching your latissimus dorsi. The minor and major rhomboids are located more proximal and superior to the latissimus dorsi. Essentially your upper back close to the spine which is not where you are placing your hand in the video. Great video though on what to look out for as far as injury is related to the sport.

  18. Poundage is not important. I'm someone who as a child/young teenager was part of a swim club for 8 years and then before I started archery spent another year swimming 3 times a week. I had pretty strong and developped back muscles thanks to this. Disregarding that I started with a club bow for my first month which was 26# and before I went for a rental to see if archery was for me I tested out other peoples bows who had a higher poundage and while I could handle 40# I felt it put too much stress on me and made me lose form.

    There is no shame in making that call. In the end I went for a 35# rental since it was the only one left in shop and shot that for 3 months before finally buying my own bow and now being comfortable with 40#. After that I spent another 6 months before now finally going up to 45# where I'll probably stay at as I like switching between my 40# on my off days and my 45# on other days.

    Poundage is not important, it doesn't equal anything really. Proper and consistent form and training is what makes you a good archer. One of the best archers in our club swears by his 35# Martin and he feels good with it. If you're at a club don't be afraid to ask if you can shoot other people's bows. If they agree it'll give you a great insight into what you can or cannot handle and believe me, the ones who are like me love nothing else than seeing someone enjoy the bow that they themselves shoot with.

  19. People boast too much about their draw weight. normally a teen should start on 14-24 pounds and a starting adult should start on 18-32 pounds. It doesn't matter if you can draw a 60lb bow 10 times. You should be able to draw your bow hundreads of times with consistent form and with no pain at all.

  20. I'm finding your videos very informative thanks! I have a question regarding injuries and prevention. I purchased a 28 pound recurve now yesterday and took it to the range where I spent over 2 hours practising as I'm new to archery. I used a glove to protect my fingers but noticed afterwards my fingers had become numb. 24 hours later and I'm still experiencing the numbness in the end of my middle finger. After some research I've read it could be nerve damage. Any tips on how to prevent this? And is it possible to use a wrist release on a recurve until my fingers recover. Thanks in advance. +1 subscriber keep up the good work!

  21. Thank you, NuSensei!. i didn't want to believe that I was having pain because of pulling back on a Genesis compound bow with a 15# draw wt., but I did and still do. After this video and several walkthroughs with it…I should be in good form soon. But…

    I'm trying to isolate what part of my form is causing the problem. I'm not sure. If you should do another video on the subject, it would be helpful if you could edit and add the numbers 1,2,3,etc on the film for each step of the draw back.

    Also I'm not sure at what angle or how high I should raise my elbow? With your illustration, I do have a better sense of when I should raise my elbow (thus the reason for numbering/sequencing the movements).

    Kudos for being attuned to the obstacles that impede the progress of an archer in training.

  22. Another good vid mate, top stuff.
    I'm just getting into archery and went the cheaper Apex option (Storm 320 compound).
    I'm a 31" Draw (maybe 32") and I asked for the max 31" draw and opted for 50lbs instead of the max 75lbs.
    After my 3rd test fire I was knackered so wound the pounds down a turn, a few more shots and wind downs later I found myself sitting at I guess around 20-30pounds.
    Fortunately I had the option to do so. 🙂

    I'm assuming you're not big on compound bows but if you have one would you mind doing a video on sighting one in?
    I like your videos because you're thorough and don't skip over the fiddly bits. Jokes aren't bad either.
    Cheers.

  23. Hi Sensei,
    I've been enjoying all of your videos immensely and I have a question that I wanted to ask you.

    I would like to target shoot with the intention of learning how to hunt with the bow.

    I have been looking at the Hoyt Buffalo Recurve Bow

    http://www.bestrecurvebowguide.com/hoyt-buffalo-bow-review-recurve-details/

    I am 210 llbs, I have a 73 inch arm length and I am 6'0 ft tall. The bow comes in 45, 50, and 55 draw length and is 60" in length but is a take down bow, so it is my understanding that I can buy components to use all three weights.

    My question is, at my wingspand is 45 too little? Or is it possibly too much even for a beginning archer?

    Based off of what you said, I have this question: Is my draw length going to make the 45 lbs at 60' length easy enough to learn with? Or should I go with a lower weight and/or longer length?

    I know you said start with a low weight but you also alluded that a smaller length makes the draw easier.

    I was also looking at the Martin Saber Recurve Bow

    http://www.bestrecurvebowguide.com/martin-saber-review-recurve-bow-inspection/

    Longer length at 64 inches and the draw weight starts at 30 lbs at the lowest. My only concerns are 1: long bow is clumsier in the field yet I know would be probably more accurate when learning on a target.
    2: 30 pounds is not enough to hunt with. Less weight means less options for hunting although I understand it is easier to aim with a smaller weight.

    Thanks for your help!

  24. Hello Sensei!
    I've Been shooting for ten months now.
    I started of with samick bow on 40#. Shot mostley in my backyard at 10meters. Later on aproxmatley two months ago I started shoot in a club twice a week. Now I am feeling I can't reach my anchorpoint any longer. Those two last inches makes my shot go of and you can persueade what hapens with the bowarm.
    I know I have to start easy on the poundage, but what I am cuoriose about is my bowarm . I can't hold it still and makes followthroug unpleasent!

    Please hope you have any ideas?

  25. Thank's NUsensei, you've helped me be able to identify the fault in my technique which is causing my draw arm's shoulder to be in pain. Thankfully I have caught it early on so I will be able to prevent any further injury.

  26. Thank you for the video. I have heard a lot about cause of draw shoulder injury but this is the first time I see potential cause of bow shoulder injury. Very insightful. Thanks

  27. I have scar on the middle knuckle of my left index from my first experience with a heavy draw bow, I was about 12 (I'm almost 25 now) and I remember loosing the arrow and what felt like a line of fire across my finger lol, those 'feathers' leave one hell of a paper cut

  28. Starting at 2:52, is there an alternative to raising one's elbow so high? I can't seem to raise my elbow that high. I hate to give up the recreational fun I'm starting to have because of RC issues.(I'm getting checked out by a doc soon). Can't I just have my shooting arm parallel to the ground and be ok? Thanks. I've got another question about instinctive shooting…but I'll put that in the comment box on the video you did on that subject..which was just what I needed. Thanks, Sir!!!!

  29. Would you consider doing another similar video on the shot sequence for those of us who are instinctive shooters. I find I get my best groupings is when the shot process in almost transitionally one fluid motion (including the follow through). Also I guess I've gotten some type of rotator cuff issues for the very reasons you've pointed out in this video (I blame my local recreation leader for that). Thanks Nu Sensei. You truly have a heart for the archer; especially us beginners.

  30. Hi Ive been shooting olympic recurve for about a little over a month now and have found your videos exstremely helpfull i was wondering if you could go show me proper plunger placement and tension in a more detailed fashion but thank you for the videos they have been very helpfull . how long have you been sh ootinng olympic recurve?

  31. Hey, I had a question. I've been shooting my recurve for a few weeks, this afternoon was my longest shooting session by far though. My hand is a bit raw in the spot on the side of my hand, right in line where the fletching passes over the hand, along the line of the thumb and the finger of the bow hand. Is there a way to avoid this besides having to use a glove on both hands?

  32. Dear NuSensei,

    Thank you for your tip on injury pain on the bow shoulder because I had the biggest pain in my bow shoulder a sharp feeling like you mentioned.
    After you demonstrated proper form for the bow shoulder the pain was GONE! make a long story short I just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart because you saved my ability to do archery.

    Thank you !

  33. the best thing I had for the last year as a beginner was a bow rental scheme (UK based) where I can swap the limbs out for higher draw-weight as I needed to, and this also saved me from buying the bow until now 🙂

  34. i bought a pse stalker take down 45 lbs. limbs a couple days a go and have been drawing it back to get form down and for the past couple days ive been sore on the backs of my shoulders its not excruciatingly painful it gradually goes away after a few hours, could this be that my limbs are too heavy? im thinking thats the cause but i dont know if it could be that im going from a 50-55 lbs. compound to recurve. this is MY first bow but ive shot other peoples bows (compounds) and never had this happen.

  35. Hi kinda off topic but I am trying to get into the sport is Core a good company to get started with, I am looking for metal riser so the sage won't work for me, here is a link to the bow http://www.merlinarchery.co.uk/core-take-down-recurve-bow-70.html

  36. Thanks for the great video..
    I was starting archery for about 3 month ago..
    I followed many instructions from you videos and thanks for those..
    In this last month, I shoot about 100 to 150 time for 3-4 days/week, and I started feel pain at my Deltoid Muscle, so I decide to take rest for a while..
    Regarding to this issue, is it normal for beginner? or something wrong with my drawn?

    Thanks Lot

  37. Thank you so much NUSensei sensei. Your videos saved me quite some money by preventing me from buying a 45" korean horse bow. I just started out (im a backyard self "teaching" newbie) but I've always had a good feeling for shooting a bow when shooting at camps with school and such. Just needed to say that I thank you so much for doing this! Please keep up the good work sensei!

  38. thank you for the info, but I have to say, I absolutely adore that light grey neck tie on the rack as well.

  39. There is a fairly famous Youtuber from the US , Tex Grubner (TGO), who shot himself in the leg with a pistol while drawing from a holster. He posted a video of the incident of his negligent discharge. He was out of shape at the time. He is now buff and posts his recurve hunting videos. He draws 100lbs. I guess the good thing is he will probably not shoot himself again, but I wonder how well his elbow and shoulder will do.

  40. This is target archery-if you shoot the style Howard Hill made popular (which is a superior technique for hunting/war bow) you pull to draw as you lift the bow and by the time you are full draw you are on your target,
    as far as overbowing most archers are pussies today-you don't learn to draw a stiff bow overnight, it takes years to develop the muscles, and they must be maintained throughout life

  41. Great advice! A father and son came to the range with brand new archery equipment. The father was attempting to draw his 45# bow and his 14 y.o. son had a 25# bow. It was sad to see them struggle draw those bows, with contorted, scrunched up bodies, and wild shots completely missing the 10 yard hay bail almost every time and unable to even get close to a proper anchor. They were frustrated and were not having fun. I never saw them again — very sad.

  42. Thank you for your videos. I started archery approx a month ago, and I borrowed a 40 pound off of a friend. Next to shooting everyday I have a hard physical job, and even next to that Im a small dude, computer nerd and lazy. I went out to buy a bow myself, and was looking for 30 pound limbs, however. Because I had been using my friends bow, the damage was done. Im now down with a pulled muscel in the shoulder, and i wasent even going Macho. Injurys are serious, and people need to be aware of the risks. Thank you, Sir.

  43. I recall 2 decades ago when the instructor got into the subject of bowhunting during the Hunter Trapper Safety course, he brought up an incident of a bow hunters nock breaking and driving this now spear-like nock through his cheek and just splitting open his face revealing teeth and bone.. I can't recall why that was brought up, but now through Sensei's teachings I suspect he was nock-pinch drawing and the instructor brought that incident up as an example of improper form and an extreme safety hazard. Sensei, do a vid of the dangers of nock-pinching with stories you've heard and pics. I'll be honest, ever since hearing of that injury in class at the age of 12 it has kept me away from archery altogether. If I had paid better attention in class on the bow safety section and how the hunter was using improper technique, I might've had an interest sooner. I'm from a muzzle-loader and modern firearm hunting family, and didn't know anyone with a serious bow, so I only really cared about firearm safety at the time and have a short attention span on subjects that don't interest me..

  44. I watched this with my class mate that has no knowledge on archery and she said “why didn’t he just shot the bow nothings gonna happen” then i said “you cant the bow will break,it’s called “dry firing” and she said “dry firing?theres no water” slaps my face

  45. This is SO super helpful, thank you!! This helped me nail (or, at least, work on nailing) how to use my back muscles correctly. Really can't tell you how much I appreciate your videos. As someone who can't afford coaching I just am so glad to have found your work.

  46. Hi NUSensei. I have been researching on how to cure an archer's elbow. Do you have any recommendation to it? I enjoy archery so much but the pain comes with it feels so hard…

  47. https://www.amazon.com/Treat-Your-Own-Rotator-Cuff/dp/1598582062/ref=pd_sim_14_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=1598582062&pd_rd_r=2ZQ330VBCWNJERMJEKCQ&pd_rd_w=dqLWf&pd_rd_wg=kBFfS&psc=1&refRID=2ZQ330VBCWNJERMJEKCQ

  48. I just started archery as a beginner. My first bow has 40 lbs on it. And now I can't handle the shoulder pain. I had to rest my shoulder and train my muscle after it got better. Because I don't have much money to buy a new bow with lighter draw weight.

  49. I sometimes feel a strain on the joint opposite from my elbow on my bow hand (the outer part of the arm), usually around 90 arrows shot, am I doing something wrong or is this normal? I have been shooting 30 pound for about 6 months now.

  50. A coupla years back, I was shooting more than 200+ arrows every day. My only other physical activity was daily walking. I believe this potentially led to my suffering rotator cuff tendinitis; with symptoms of severe 'clunking' `noises` EACH TIME I lifted my arm in everyday activities, and with drastically reduced arm strength in everyday activities. However, there was hardly any noticeable pain to speak of. With this scary 'clunking' following normal common movement ranges of my String Drawing shoulder, I put a stop to backyard shooting, lest I contribute to `real` and permanent damage. Some weeks later, I again gave shooting a try: but this time, I drastically modified my way for withdrawing an arrow from my hip quiver. (you see, the first I started noticing the onset of 'clunking' in my String Shoulder, was each time I withdrew an arrow from my quiver. It only developed into 'clunking' throughout other more-normal motions later, after I started noticing it here, first) Through modification of arrow withdrawing, I had successfully halted the one-for-one clunk per arrow 'retrieval'. But my shoulder continued to mis-behave when NOT shooting. This is why for most of the last two years, I have voluntarily ceased archery shooting. For just over the last month, I have returned: doing shoulder exercises and shooting from a 15# fibreglass kiddie stick bow; leaving my 'proper' 36# Olympic recurve un-used. Currently, the String shoulder is still of drastically reduced arm strength and can suffer the most debilitating bust of pain anytime it gets bumped accidentally. Not only did I significantly modify the way for retrieving arrows from my hip quiver, but I significantly modified the way I draw the bow. I studied the way J.C. Valladont moved 'his' drawing arm, copied it, but additionally held my bow arm equally low-down; level with my drawing arm. . . . . . . . . . This has had the effect of making my Tricep participate more and my shoulder participate less until I reach full draw: where I anchor and have my back take on most of the load. . . . I am totally pain-free when shooting in this manner. I have no clunking noises either. I have full strength with this direction of motion — It's the general daily activities where I can [sometimes] cop indignant and most debilitating busts of pain for the high-treason of 'not being on guard'. . . . . . . . Nu Sensei's mention of the rotational angular draw (2018 video) has captured my attention ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Now I have taken it to my soul, too, it seems. To me, it just makes good horse sense ! ! ! Over the last coupla days, I have applied a somewhat exaggerated and purposeful angular draw into my way of drawing with the 15# stick bow. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Currently, I feel strong, and feel like I can return to my proper 36# target recurve. It is my anxiety and terror and belief that my shoulder can not, in fact, take the load, even now, two years later, which makes sure I shall not enter into such folly. Although I constantly think about the angular draw now, and watch for it on YouTube's "Archery TV" matchplay, somehow I suspect that I always applied an unconscious level of small-scale angular draw throughout my whole archery life. Looking back, it just seems natural that I may have had been doing it all along.

  51. Bonus if you can find a Physio who is also a keen archer. 😉
    A lot of archery injuries can result from not only poor form, but poor scapular control. Don’t want to shamelessly plug myself, but those in the mount waverley area with shoulder issues, please feel free to call balance physiotherapy on 98881811

  52. my "favorite" archery injury i have had is a rather large cut from when the bottom limb of my bow snapped and got launched into my arm. that is when i started to check the limbs on my bows before and after every shooting session.

  53. In your experience as an instructor, have you come across bow hand injuries caused by arrows breaking mid-shot?

  54. Hey Sensei, What do you think a safe draw weight would be to use consistently though till about 60 years of age if you maintain your practice weekly? 😮 40-45lb seems to be the consensus that ive seen around, most archers i know who are 45-60 of age doing recurve for a hobby are using 38-45lb limbs and Korean archers think between 40-45 is a sweet spot for consistency

    What would be your take on this? If i remember correctly, you were using 40lb limbs aswell 😮

  55. Thanks so much for this video!
    I started on my birthday last Sunday and jumped straight in with classes and shot almost everyday.
    I went to work and then exactly 1 week after starting my bow shoulder has this sharp pain when I try to go into shooting form, without a bow in hand.
    I used so many different bows, club bows, and I definitely know my shoulder wasn’t always relaxed and I was pushing.
    Now I just have to rest and when I go back lessen the weight, keep my bow shoulder relaxed, and I should be fine.
    Right?

  56. Compound bow companies make bows that go from 7 lb to 70 lb . Why don't recurve bow companies do the same thing

  57. Is there a video that goes in depth on how to set rhomboid and lats muscles and how to stop that drawing hand shoulder popping up?

  58. Just had a recent chat with a youngster about 'front shoulder pain' on one of your more current vids, and lo, here's an old vid about injury.
    Funny how different physiologies react differently to the same movement. High draw technique caused me shoulder issues both front and rear. On the other hand, a rotational draw with the forearm following the arrow plane alleviated rear shoulder pain, engaged back muscles more efficiently and aided in setting the front shoulder correctly. It also provides me with a much more stable path to a consistent anchor.
    The archers (I know) who 'high draw' all shoot low poundage target recurve. Stick a higher poundage (>40 lbs) trad bow(62" and>) in their hand for an extended period and soon enough the dramatic 'high draw' flourish and low anchor make way for a rotational draw with a higher anchor. And yet the fundamentals are still the same.
    Great vid.

  59. Great video.

    Im a new archer. I bought a 45lbs samak sage. My groups have shrunk over the last 3 months, but I wasnt satisfide with my progress. I decided to be honest with my self about draw weight. I deciced to hold at full draw for a complete 5 seconds before my release. I couldnt even hit the bag!
    To much weight! I dont have the money for new limbs and arrows tuned for them.
    Heres my plan. Once my groups come back to normal with a 5 second pause, ill move to 10 seconds. Ill keep moving up in 5 second increments till I can hold my form for 30 seconds inbetween shots with out adverse affects to my accuracy.

    What do you think?

    Also, I noticed that when I started this 5 second pause thing all my misses were high, way high. Any reason for this?

    I love your videos and I would really value your imput.

  60. I hope that I didn't get a bow with too much pull weight because it is a 50 pound pull weight and I am 5 foot, 10 inches tall. My bow is primarily for training since I don't hunt and we don't have a bow club in the area. I didn't want to go over the 50 pound limit due to my height and weight.

  61. Aren't you mixing the rhomboids with latissimus dorsi and teres major ?
    (Rhomboids are between the medial edge of the scapulae and the spinal vertebrae).

  62. The tip of my middle finger has been numb for a few hours after about 100 arrows with my #45 recurve that I’m comfortable with.. think It’s a problem with my draw ( I do 3 under), my cheap shooting glove, or both? Thanks as always you’re awesome.

  63. In my opinion if you want to go hunting, but you can't handle a 40-50lb bow, you should hunt with a rifle until you can use a 40-50lb bow.

  64. Answered my question before I asked it. Apparently I was taught improper form in my teenage years. Mind you, I haven’t picked up a bow in at least a decade…but in recent years I’ve began developing an interest in making things for myself and my family, including bows.

    You’ve got awesome and informative videos and I can’t wait to finish the entire series!

  65. 7:23 yeah I see that I do that every once in a while without noticing, I shot my entire first tournament like that. I wish someone had told me cause I had the worst pain in my shoulders for almost a week. whats worse was my GF (who knows the sport way better than I do) noticed and didn't say anything. Moral of the story, if you notice someone doing that, help them out so that they don't screw their shoulder up.

  66. Sharp pain in my bow holding shoulder brought me here. I'm new was hoping I would get used to the movements and get better. Now I'm thinking my form is part of the problem.

  67. This is exactly why I have both recurve and compound bows. I shoot my recurves until my muscles get tired and/or sore, then I shoot my compound. Works a champ. 😉

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