Archery Elk Season Hunt Recap | Wapiti Wednesday Q&A – EP 35
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Archery Elk Season Hunt Recap | Wapiti Wednesday Q&A – EP 35

August 18, 2019


all right
YouTube is live Facebook is live where everything worked and came right on
tonight nice we’re still a couple minutes early Steven James how you doing
brother hey Congrats on your plants moose
mr. Scott welcome welcome so those of you that are jumping in on the YouTube
side go ahead over on the chat let me know who’s in oh you know Steven chasing
the dream here so Jay how you doing bud so Jacob Balbus welcome Jake so I jumped
over to new computer tonight Bernie how we do on Jay careful with that mr.
batiste stuff so but anyway he’s jumped over to my editing laptop tonight ooh
mr. Danny Aden and death harp bow strings if you guys aren’t familiar with it go
check out death harp also owns archery central in Caldwell mr. Morin Krone good
evening Michael Tubbs hello Jeff hello Scott rolling out Friday nice good luck
to you bud Chad Jones late season calling any help yeah Chad we’ll kind of
talk about it so tonight we’re we’re going to kind of do a 2018 archery oak
season recap kind of lessons learned also talked about a couple of other
things that you guys have asked about gonna go back and touch on some of the
stuff that we’ve kind of talked about in the past I posted a picture the other
day of Bill bill is from Illinois follows elk
calling Academy tunes into the Wapiti Wednesday Q&As and I actually ended up
meeting bill and his huntin partner up where I was hunting they had actually
come out there to hunt and they hunted for a few days went back to Illinois and
then as we were relocating camp actually ran into Bill is we were relocating and
stopped and talked to him and we pulled out the map and kind of gave him kind of
some suggestions on on where to go and and Manny went in there and got it done
but how he got it done I think is kind of important into something I think we
need to talk about mr. Josh Mintz how you doing I have a big question for the
elk God lol Jay I’m not sure if that elk God title is towards me or not but yeah
just like always guys as we’re rolling along if you have any questions whether
you’re on you know the YouTube channel or on the Facebook feel free to throw
the questions in this here is all about you guys this is this is to answer your
questions kind of help you shorten that learning curve just like always there
are some things I can’t go into that we do cover you know in the private lessons
that students are paying for but yeah I’ll do my best to answer those so
Bernie heading out tomorrow for wife’s elk on it’s been raining what do you
suggest take an umbrella so rain gear now rain actually is not a big deal it
is for you okay Jay then all right so let’s let’s let’s do this real quick we
had a question right here from Bernie about so it’s it’s been raining you know
the rains are really not going to affect them usually if there’s a big front
coming in if there’s a big store for a storm front they’ll kind of hold up and
this and that but as the rains there if it’s been there for you know a few days
they got to move they got to eat and especially once that storm kind of that
front moves on and clears out their activity level really really increases
so the thing about rain and here’s normally my take on it if it’s just a
drizzle absolutely go out and hunt but heavy heavy downpours I caution you on
that because that heavy downpour is gonna wash away any tracks it’s gonna
wash away any blood it’s gonna make it really really difficult to you know
track that animal cell okay Jay go ahead and fire away TJ then hey Jeff Warren
Cronin has a hard time pulling back his bow when he sees elk what would you
suggest uh you know some people get that way they just get so amped up they have
a really hard time drawing their bow it’s it’s I don’t know what it is it’s
kind of a mental psyche it’s one of those things that I talk about you know
when you are training when you are practicing you know go through a routine
and on every shot you go through that routine so that way it just becomes
automatic when you’re out there hunting so alright we got a few people on the
YouTube side Tony Walker how you doing bud so okay there we go TJ hey buddy excited for another Wapiti
Wednesday Q&A perfect I noticed that the chat over on the YouTube was on top chat
instead a live chat so we got that corrected so Matthew O’Connell how you
doing so Jay go ahead and fire your question so mr. Jake welcome welcome
so let’s kind of talk about recap for 2018 this actually ended up being one of
the tougher elk seasons that I can remember in a long time and it’s it’s
really surprising because of how this season
you know started off so those of you that were you know on the Wapiti
Wednesday QA after that first weekend know that you know we got into 19 Bulls
at first weekend we called in 15 of them and of those 15 we had like 10 that were
bugling so and got them bugling so the way it really really started off was
like man this is just gonna be a great year
second weekend we still had good response still getting in a good
numbers and then it’s like the alien mothership came in and just sucked up
every single elk because that next trip we went up we couldn’t find an elk we
couldn’t find a fresh track and in fact within a couple of days in a two day
period you know did 2530 miles on the boots did shoot 60 70 miles in the truck
just trying to locate figure out what happened now in our area there was a few
things that happened one there was some hound hunters that were running hounds
which I have no problem with that they’re within the legal season you know
we’re on public land but it just seemed like a larger number of bear hunters
this year than what we’ve had in the past and then also we had an influx of
out-of-state hunters so you kind of have that combination of all that extra
activity and those off just disappeared so we really really had to locate we
really really had to get in the truck do a lot of night bugle and and just cover
miles and locate them and we actually were able to you know locate some elk in
a new area we ended up relocating camp 50 miles and you know got on the elk but
the other thing that I noticed is their their vocalizations were the volume was
way way down I mean cows if you weren’t within 60 70
yards you weren’t here in the cows and the Bulls that were bugle and really
didn’t have that volume that expansion like they’ve had in the past in fact one
night when we were night bugle and we found this stretch of the road that was
kind of elevated up above a creek bottom with some ridges that they would go bend
down on and each night we could get eight or nine Bulls bugle and in there
and you know I really used the one and a half from native by Carleton and the RIP
at one and a half I used that a ton but I got up to the spine I just kind of
wanted to do an experiment and I did two or three bugles
on that rip at one and a half and I got responses every time and then I pulled
out another read that has just a tremendous amount of volume and I hit
that really high pitch I hit that max volume and I mean it was crickets
nothing absolutely nothing responded so definitely you know a lot softer you
know Jerry just asked do I believe it could have been a predator problem it
could have it could have been a combination of predator it could have
been the increase in hunting pressure so you know a lot of times when these elk
get pressured and whether it’s by predators or a bunch of other hunters
what they’ll do is they’ll go into the heavier timber because that heavier
timber is really really knocking down the sounds it’s not traveling as far
it’s not carrying as far and they’ll really turn the volume down a little bit
so we actually sat there and watch some guys we we got in we had a bull going
like I said I was using that rip it one and a half and just really dialing the
volume down and was getting a bull responding he was working and we had
these guys that came in max volume just trying to locate trying to cover as much
ground that bull would not respond to them at all he was not giving up his
place and we kind of let him kind of go off a little bit and the hunter and then
we kind of reengaged again with a couple of soft cow calls and and really on the
bugle you know I was I was kind of doing more you know being soft and just kind
of going with those those grunts and those chuckles and that’s what these
Bulls were responding to and we really had to kind of work that breeding
sequence you guys have have heard me talk about the breeding sequence and mix
in the you know cow sounds and with the
excited bull sounds but really with that lower volume and and it finally got
those Bulls ramped up to where they would kind of start piping off a little
bit more and their aggression level and a mint level raised but the other thing
we found too is the last weekend we covered this whole face and rolled
around and my gosh that elk sign that we got into with the trails but we got out
on this point and bugle then we got this bull to respond and we made our way down
to where we were probably within 125 yards of him set up started calling and
we were there for a while not a peep nothing came and I said hey maybe we
need to roll around this knob so he can hear us a little better and we only
watched 50 60 yards and there was two cows bedded right there they were well
within us Colin but the thing that I noticed is we weren’t really matching
our surrounding so you know the three of us would kind of start Cal callin back
and forth a little bit and then kind of do some of these Huff’s these these low
soft chuckles but we weren’t matching our surrounding nothing else was really
piping off that much and so that’s what you know talking to build the other
night about his bowl you know he worked up in there got the response started
working close to the bull found a trail that he could really cut the distance
and he got set up and he only did enough sounds to keep that Bulls interest
because the bull what really wasn’t cracking off every time he was
responding so he would just do a couple of soft cow calls maybe a soft little
bugle and in turn after time he had to do it for quite a while 30 45 minutes
and finally that bull really started responding and once that bull really
started responding bill let out a couple of cow calls the bulb you will
immediately bill cut him off with a bugle and that bull just came running in
on a string so again we’ve talked about it in the past about matching your
surround if there’s a lot of elk vocalizations if
there’s a lot of elk sounds then you can you can increase the number of times
that you call you don’t have to wait in between each set is long but if it’s
really quiet out there you might have to wait two three four minutes in between
and don’t do this great big grand you know bunch of Cal calls bunch of bugle
and just do two or three soft cow calls kind of a low grunt with some chuckles
you know something pretty soft on the bull side so alright we had a bunch of
stuff roll in here so let me back up a little bit okay my question is on
Saturday Oh hold on hold on I’m here lol missed last week did it work Lucas
welcome cliff in my nine years I still haven’t yet to knowingly : an Delta Cal
calls as far as mo just hard pupils back and forth so yeah and in really you know
cliff we don’t focus solely on Cal calls so we actually use our cows to set up
our bugles so you know we like that that state that bugles you know get that bull
to but there are times where you know just setting up and doing a couple of
soft cow calls yeah you may not get a bull rip and bugles back at you but
their curiosity you can get them coming in on a string so the thing with that
though is you really really got to be paying attention to everything around
you so alright Jay my question is on Saturday went in my honey hole and had
Alex screaming all over would answer your cow calls but would not come all
the way in 60 yards 200 yards even butyl back to them and still 60 yards but
would not come all the way in had the good win so why wouldn’t they commit Jay
there could be a few factors in there so I mean one they could have had cows and
kind of that hundred yard or 60 yard where where they
were stopped and that was the max distance from their cows they wanted to
go maybe that’s where they felt they should have been able to see the animal
that was making the noise or it could have been you know something between you
and them they just didn’t want to cross those are usually the three reasons of
why that bull will hang up so the thing you can do in that situation next time
is if you know where they’re hanging up let them kind of start working back to
their group when you know it’s quiet move up a little bit try it again you
might have to move up to three times until you get within a distance that
that hang up spot where they’re stopping is within your effective shooting range
I notice you only talked until 10:00 11:00 in the morning and then crickets
at least where we were yeah it was it kind of varied from day to day Tony what
we saw we actually did get some midday bugling but yeah sometimes it wasn’t
even ten eleven sometimes hour after sunup or right at sunup they were they
were tight-lip specially towards the tail end of the season but again these
these are elk that where we were were extremely heavily pressured so so it’s
not surprising that they and it may not be that they shut up it may be that they
went to a back side of the ridge into some thick timber where that that sound
really really wasn’t carrying as far and you had to be a lot closer to be able to
hear him so that’s actually what we noticed on a couple so Martin Laursen
hello tough as an understatement had to shoot a baby just to satisfy my greed
hey elk meat self meat man really vocal here until September 20 a super quiet
sense yeah and you know Chad a that’s kind of some of the reports that I’m
getting all over some areas really had some really really good rip
bugle action and others not so much and in fact in our area I never really saw a
day where I really saw a peak write activity I never really saw where there
was a bull with a hot cow and and just you know
he was bugling quite a bit of multiple Bulls buccal and I just never saw the
peak rut and in fact we still had Bulls hanging in bachelor groups the second
week of the season so I’m kind of thinking between that and the fat that
was on the bull that I harvested I don’t know we might be in for a tougher winter
than what everybody anticipated so I guess we’ll find out once the snow snow
starts flying mr. Brad hunt welcome Robert excellent call Lucas heard my
first bugle of the season last Friday what are signs of late rut things have
been kind of wonky in Alberta and BC this year Lucas a lot of times you know
the sign of the late rut is you know like right now if you were to go out
there and you’re hearing multiple Bulls bugle and and they’re triggering off
each other and feeding off each other and you know bugle and for several
minutes on their own and then quiets down and then one bugles and it just
triggers and off they go again that’s a good sign of a late wrath that there is
cows and estrus that there is some late rut activity because usually this time
of year the the bugling really slows down so they’re just not kind of ripping
and cranking so Kyle how late typically in the season can you call Bulls in
and/or get them to respond my brother rifle hunts and wants me to
help him and I only archery hunt so I’m not familiar with that late season so
Kyle a lot of times in in rifle season depending on you know when your starts
here in Idaho some of them start October 10th some are in November so you kind of
have that later time I typically focus more on cow sounds because in that post
rut timeframe and and in kind of getting ready for migration of winter grounds
the the larger more mature Bulls have split off from the group they’ve kind of
gone back into solitude to really focus on eating and putting pounds back on and
putting weight back on because they’re exhausted I mean that rut really really
takes a lot out of them from you know breeding cows to defending their cows
running off other Bulls so late in the year they kind of
you know branch off break off on their own kind of move up in elevation a
little bit to where they can just feed undisturbed and pack that weight back on
so that’s why a lot of times in most areas now I know things vary from area
to area but most of the time this year if you get on to her that has cows most
of the bulls you’re gonna see are the satellite Bulls the reason I say
satellite Bulls is because I know the year we hunted Montana the area we were
hunting some of those satellite Bulls were three thirties three 40s so you
know it just happened that the herd bull was 362 380 so in in that area so and
definitely a lot of the younger bulls you know that spend their their first
four four-and-a-half years of life with the cows and just kind of kind of
running around so let’s see hold on guys I got a tickle there it is all right
excuse me mr. Brandon Scott so the fires here in Utah mixed with such a dry year
made it really hard a lot of the elk that would normally be
at 7 to 8 and a half hours in elevation or up 9 yeah wants you to get up there
they would all shift back down to low response lots of cat and mouse yeah it
kind of sounds like it so you know I know a couple of people have talked
about you know the the drought year the dry year not much rain you know they
weren’t finding elk and in places that they have in the past so you know here’s
the thing to consider on years that you have good rain that you have good
moisture that that feed is dispersed so they have a lot more areas that they can
break up and they can go into to get that feed but on drought years those
feed areas are concentrated more and because they’re concentrated more you
have a lot more elk that go into that area and they might be on the move more
because they don’t want to over graze that feed area so they may be on a 2 3
or 4 day rotation to where they have all these different feed spots
and they’re just you know mixing around so that way when they come back to this
feed spot in two three or four days that feed has had a chance to grow some new
leaves or you know something has happened so elk are really really good
about not over grazing their feed areas so so that’s why a lot of times in
drought years you really have elk that are a lot more mobile so they’re not
staying so close in the same place or the same pattern so they’re moving
around you know quite a bit and so Scott Brown how you doing I think weather was
the biggest problem in Colorado it was a very warm yeah and actually we had that
too you know that first weekend those first few days kind it was perfect we
had you know lows 32 to 34 highs you know upper 50s absolutely perfect for
good alka activity and then man we kind of warmed up to where we were you know
in the in the mid 70s up there during the day which is pretty dang hot for
mid-september too later September and it’s just finally started to cool off so
so yeah definitely I would say weather had a part to play so John this is my
first year calling I’ll Club your life Wednesday’s has helped so much didn’t
harvest a melech but had a few responses you know John and that’s that’s awesome
that’s the kind of stuff that I like to hear right there is you know that you
guys are finding value in what we’re doing here the information that we’re
sharing and you you’re finding success with it out there and you know success
that’s that’s a conversation that is is different amongst you know different
people I know on a forum the other day I saw were success where the the author of
the thread was basically like his only definition of success is harvesting an
animal he says I go out there to kill an elk if if I don’t kill an elk the
seasons of failure where other people you know like John right there where you
you know you said you got responses so first time getting responses that was a
success so success is defined differently in everybody else’s eyes so
some of those people that just only focus on that success
or that harvest factor I really think they’re missing out on so much of the
journey but you know that’s that’s their choice so that’s that’s how they choose
to to do it but in my opinion if that’s all you focus on you really start
putting a lot more pressure on yourself and it really takes kind of some of the
fun out of it Casey Gepard how you doing so cliff have
to say what you’re describing is exactly what I experienced yeah cliff I did this
is what I’m hearing from everybody deejay 6×6 came in but he came in silent
yeah a lot of people are talking about silent Bulls Aaron Swift Brian woods
Mathew O’Connell well location bugling still work as rest slows down yeah you
might still get a bull to be able to crack off especially if there’s some
late ruts going on in the area you know there’s late ruts not only will
location bugling work and work but you know setting up and doing the breeding
sequence will work and you know you’re raking all of your aggressive bull
sounds all those are gonna work you know in a late rut type environment Garrett
Weaver so oh just an FYI guys Garrett Weaver is podcast on point with Garrett
Weaver he and I are getting together Sunday and we are going to record
another podcast together so we’ll let you know as soon as we got that done and
it’s live so if you do not follow on point with Garrett Weaver make sure you
go over and follow his podcast so with a storm from Rossa and the weather
patterns coming in this weekend it will cool off a lot with this weather pattern
be enough to kick off the full rat you know Scott that’s kind of a tough
question to answer without really knowing what’s going on in that area
leading up to this point the area you’re hunting could have been one of those and
had a normal red here that you know around that autumn equinox they did the
full-on rut really hard to say so TJ can you give an example of lower volume call
yeah absolutely so and that’s really about how soft in
fact on the cow bocal is Asians a lot of times I know you guys have seen me using
that game-changer call I turn it around and call through the big in because it
really really just mellowed that call out and really softened it up so I could
be sitting there and I would have the game-changer in one hand and the grunt
tube and the other and doing cow sounds through that to make it mellow and then
you know bugle so tell you why guys if you haven’t gotten your hands on that
game changer you definitely need to go check that out so Jim late Rhett here in
Idaho Panhandle didn’t quite see peak Rhett signs until the 20th September
yeah so same thing with a lot of other places you know here in Idaho thank you
had the best elk season with friends and I ever had didn’t feel my tag but super
happy the wife and friend got to see monster bull glunk and chase a cow
that’s awesome so we had get a action eight out of ten days slowed way down on
the 20th in the area we are there are a lot of bulls and few cows most Bulls
seen two to six cows when you keep distance they remain to talk back and
forth with us if you close the gap they already shut down we are killing bulls
by keeping one guy far away keeping the bull go on while the other slips in yeah
we actually talked about that same thing geremy so so here’s the deal in your
situation you have you have a really high bull de Cal ratio and anytime you
have a really really high bull to Cal ratio you have a lot of competition for
cows which you know they know each other’s voices so they’re they’re used
to hearing those Bulls that they spend all summer with bugle and they know
those voices and so sometimes when you introduce that new bull you bugling it
can kind of cause them to move off a little bit especially if they’re one of
the ones that only have two three or four cows they worked hard to get those
cows they know there’s not a ton in that area so
and it also depends you know how aggressive your being with your bugling
on them I I mean you know we had we were working a bull and we actually had a guy
come in from behind us and I got to give the guy credit he did drop in elevation
to get the wind in his favor but you know he was he was getting really really
aggressive on his call right from the get-go and I showed him no signs of
aggressiveness so I was just giving him mild location bugles back we were
actually just sitting down waiting for the wind to change direction before him
moved in on the bull and the bull was far enough from him and the bull was
just basically doing some soft chuckle and that I don’t think that guy ever
heard the bull but so it’s one of those kind of things that you know if you’re
getting close to that bull and you’re just doing really aggressive sounds it’s
not uncommon for him to kind of move away and a lot of times what he’s doing
he’s actually moving his cows away to stash his cows before he comes back to
size you up so he wants to put his cows in a safe place then he’s gonna come
back he’s gonna size you up to kind of see you know what you are that’s where
you know sometimes kind of you know that mix and kind of starting slow you know
you go from location bugles into some of those you know Huff’s and grunts and
chuckles and and maybe a little bit of mild breaking just to kind of you know
take his temperature and see where he’s at before really full-blown jumping on
them with aggressive so but yeah a lot of times if we get in that situation
where you know we’ve moved in the Bulls moved off we moved in moved off again
but he keeps answering us from a distance
we’ll leave the caller back there to keep him engaged and have the shooter
slip in that’s a great technique for working on those bulls awesome year Mike
thanks for your help and sharing your knowledge Aaron you bet buddy Steven
nice hat from Carlton you’re going to do a giveaway
I actually did talk to mark today we’re working on some couple of things mark
Carleton so if you guys want a native by Carleton giveaway package just comment
in either the live chat on YouTube or here on Facebook and the chat let me
know your interests in the giveaway and I’ll see what I can put together for a
native by Carleton package so Steve and mine were silent but it was mainly due
to seismic activity on the mountain which I found drove almost all big game
down away from the mountain interesting Steven that’s one thing I have never had
to experience with seismic activity hmm I could imagine yeah seismic activity or
anything rumbling or anything like that would push all the animals off the
mountainside so how often if at all do you use a decoy so Gerry I do use decoys
from time to time and in fact I was just laughing at bugle moebus I love this
statement who doesn’t who doesn’t like free stuff so yeah I actually have a
video recorded I just need to edit it and it’s a combo video on decoy use and
attract and scent use and I’ll show you exactly you know kind of how I use
decoys I don’t use them a ton primarily mostly when I use decoys is if we’re you
know going after a specific bull that he we know he hangs up he you know he
doesn’t break that mark we’re gonna pull the decoy out to give him something to
you know get that get that vocal attraction or that visual attraction to
so you know we already have the sounds from the calls you know we’re gonna add
the decoy in just to add you know a little little different mix on him so
but most of the time I mean we’re running a gun and you know fast and
furious and setup that there there’s so many times that I have the decoy on the
back of the backpack and you know the pack and I just forget to take it out
so but sometimes yeah I will specifically pull it out and use it
my colonic and I cannot thank you enough for all of your info and help with the
vet and he was happy just seeing Bulls come into my calls so oh I’m sure they
love that Jack Keithley Jesse Oh Jack do you get your your giveaway running yet
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Jessie Lopez welcome Aaron Swift game-changer is legit
absolutely the more I use that little call just the more I’m blown away at how
remarkable that call is definitely plan on getting my hands on it for next
thanks for all your knowledge bro Jack you bet Larry
howdy I’m sorry I’m late just tuning in what did I miss who Larry
unfortunately I don’t have a timestamp of when you came in so really hard to
say Jerry crow how are you feeling are you still in the hospital or you are you
home yet so George T law how you doing buddy so Tony you know I do want to give
away yes yes yes yes yes heck yeah I’d like me okay so I think it i think it’s
a resounding yes on the native by carlton giveaway so I will get a hold of
mark and we’ll get a little price package put together with a little bit
of apparel maybe some calls or two and he and I have kind of started working on
a couple of new diaphragm Reed’s for 2019 so I’ll get with you as well I’d
like to add in on the giveaway okay Stephen yeah absolutely
let’s connect to the next day or two I’m taking off Friday for my antelope hunt
but yeah let’s let’s connect so Jerry home in bed good I’m glad you are out of
hospital and at home rest up get to feeling better Jack yes raffle is on
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addiction you can see what what they’re giving away so Dave how much attention
do you pay to the moon cycles it varies so we’ve kind of touched on this a
little bit in the past I’m not one of those that if I see a full moon I just
panic and say my hunts ruined there’s a lot of factors that go into how that
full moon affects the elk what time is that full moon rising what time is that
full moon setting how much of the night is really bright so because I know we
had times during this year that you know that that moon was coming up at 3 or 4
o’clock in the afternoon and setting you know 2 o’clock in the morning so you
still had a really good chunk in 90 that was absolutely dark but also – were one
of those groups that you know if you understand an Elk’s biology and how they
work so they’re they’re grazers so they’re a lot like cattle they’ll graze
until their stomach gets full then they’ll lay down and they’ll work on the
cud and it’ll take you know 3 to 4 hours for them to empty that stomach chamber
as soon as that stomach chamber is emptied they’re back up and feeding
again so if you have a full moon and those elk are bending down within an
hour of first light you know within 3 to 4 hours they’re gonna be back up on
their feet they’re gonna be feeding they’re gonna be milling around they’re
gonna be getting water and so that’s why a lot of times we will get close to the
bedding area and you know we’ll just sit there two three four Cal calls go quiet for
three four minutes break those Cal sounds again and we’ll sit there for 45
minutes to an hour but if you’re going to do this pay attention because a lot
of times these Bulls are not going to make any sound they’re just gonna slip
in quiet and the thing is – it may not just be the Bulls you may have cows that
are slipping in on you younger spikes and satellite Bulls
slipping in on you if you just want to put an elk on the ground this is a great
technique so that you can you know get close to those cow sounds be patient
really scan and in between each calls and wait and and if and like I said you
spend that 45 minutes to an hour there something’s gonna come in they’re
curious they’re herd animals they’re gonna come check you out
so for seasoned elk Colorado what kind of calling or just spot in stock
Larry bull or cow what are you going for and fourth season elk what is the
timeframe on that so just being able to go as a success Jerry I like it
great attitude different Jerry thanks for all the great information got to get
up at 4:00 a.m. I’ll finish watching or tomorrow thanks have a good night Jerry
okay Larry Cal what time of year when when does a hunt start so while I’m
waiting for that thank you for all for well wishes glad this didn’t happen in
the woods got my tree stands hung for late season black tail darn MLB playoffs
see look at that the only problem is Freddie you’re jumping in here late we
already did a plug and talked about your game changer
so you weren’t here to witness it so but okay Larry
cow sounds or your Cal hunt fourth season late Colorado
you’re probably going to be hunt in transition areas kind of where they’re
staging – sorry brother it’s okay Freddie I’m just giving you a bad time
you know these elk are gonna kind of be staging eating getting ready for their
migration to their winter rounds the fact that you are hunting cows you want
to focus on that maternal instinct of that cow hit that high pitch get some
emotion into it sound like a distressed calf so yeah November 4th to November
18th ok yeah focus on that distressed calf what that distressed calf is going
to do is you’re you’re gonna play on the maternal instincts of that cow
so they don’t know if it’s their account or their calf they don’t know if it’s a
calf in their group they just recognize that as a distressed calf and those cows
will want to come over to check it out to try to protect that calf maybe that
calf is separated from the group not sure where everybody’s at they’re
panicking so that that distressed calf is a great great tool so keep in mind
you are out there calling and making that sound of a distressed calf during a
cow hunt during rifle season so be smart about it protect yourself and be safe
fact that kind of leads me into the next subject so for those of you that that
are friends of mine on Facebook you saw that I made a post the other day
so about a grieving family that lost a son a father a husband a very good
friend this is this this was a man that really is somebody that that a lot of us
looked up to just the way he lived his life the passion the
he had how he just touched people how he treated people basically he went out on
a solo hunt real quick last Friday was supposed to meet up with his hunting
partners on Saturday didn’t meet up they immediate immediate Lee started looking
for him they end up finding him Monday at the base of a tree slumped over it
appears that he suffered a heart attack so which is really odd I mean he 41
years old is probably one of the toughest and strongest both mentally and
physically guys that have have ever met but for those of you guys that hunt solo
and I know a ton of people hunt solo I will go out and hunt solo sometimes to
leave a hunt plan with your wife or a friend or somebody but leave a detailed
hunt plan in that hunt plan put where you’re camping where you’re going to be
hunting where you’re gonna be parking the truck what trails you’re gonna be
hiking if you deviate from that plan at all
call whoever has the hunt plan you know drive somewhere find service call but
update that hunt plan so I’ve heard several people this year talked about
people going out and not coming home or getting lost and taking several days to
find them the hunt plan guys it’s it’s it’s something that I have gotten into
the last several years you know with my wife and one thing that I’ve even
started doing with on X to wear on X you can get a subscription to where you can
log in to your computer and you have it on your phone I will log into it all my
canned when I leave and when I’m out hunting I
will actually turn my tracks on each day and then delete them at the end of the
day but with the tracks on each day my wife can log in and she can know exactly
where I’m at she can see that I’m still moving that I’m in a different spot that
so just the information guys don’t be stingy with it give as much detailed
information now he did leave a little bit of a hunt plan and that’s that kind
of what led to you know finding him his truck was parked where he said it was
going to be but you know we still don’t know exactly you know what happened you
know when he passed we know he went out Friday you know did it happen Friday
night did did something happen and and you know it was Saturday but because of
this hunt plan and if you’re supposed to meet up with a group and you don’t meet
that group that group that you’re supposed to meet with also has your hunt
plan and they know exactly where your are where you are so you know they can
they can come look and and find find for you or look for you so what to do about
a cow that comes in hot and doesn’t stop so you know about the you know you’ll
get elk sometimes that come in that are hot whether it be a cow or a bull and
there’s not much you can do to stop them so you know actually a lot of times kind
of a little nervous bark just something like that can be enough to stop them so
mountain tuff how you doing so alright um you know I know a lot of people had
asked questions about you know kind of kind of calling to quiet Bulls we kind
of touched on a little bit you know last week it can be tough and especially a
lot of people experience that this year with
quiet bulls or very very low response low response
I guess my battery just died so but very very low response with with bulls and so
you were dealing with a lot of quiet Bulls that’s the time where you’re gonna
want to find fresh sign and then just set up and do some some blind calling so
it depends on really what your focus on on what type of blind calling you’re
gonna do if you’re just looking for any elk then you know that’s we’re just
focusing on you know those cow sounds can definitely be a good way to go so
hold on guys sorry so but those those cow sounds can kind of be a good way
that can just you know call in you know any elk sometimes you know cows those
spikes those those younger satellite Bulls if you’re looking for a more
mature bull then you’re gonna kind of want to do more of that breeding
sequence get them interested in coming in and checking out that hot cow so
Daniel first time catching your live feed I’ve learned a lot from you thanks
from the relocated South Louisiana boy Daniel welcome so in fact for those of
you guys that are new if this is the first time you’re you’re tuning in
whether on YouTube or Facebook you know on YouTube be sure you hit that
subscribe and then also click on the Bell so that way you’re notified every
time that we upload a video or we go live you’ll know exactly when this
happens for those of you that are on Facebook you know make sure you like the
page and turn on notifications so that way you guys are notified as well so I
just I’m blown away by the support you know from all of you guys you know as I
said earlier this is this is all about you guys and and helping you and you
know hearing the stories of you know the the harvest and even you know some of
you just interacting with Alec for the first time that is something that is
just you know huge with me that that really you know
means a lot and and I love hearing the success from you guys so alright so
we’re gonna go for about another ten minutes so if you guys have any more
question you know make sure you get your questions in here we’ll go for a little
bit some of the upcoming videos you know like I said the the combo I know Friday
night videos have really not been getting uploaded just because hunting I
haven’t had a lot of time to edit stuff I still do have you know like I said I’m
taking off this weekend for an antelope hunt and then my wife’s rifle Cal hunt
kicks in our deer hunts that my wife and I are doing together kind of kick in so
bear with me I do have videos that were filming I had another or a couple people
asked if I would do a pack dump for those of you that don’t know what a pack
dump is is basically I just dump everything out of my pack and show you
exactly everything that I carry each day on the hunt
so that’ll kind of help you you know put a little list together what type of call
would be the best to start learn with so you know John that’s that’s kind of a
tricky tricky question to answer because it really varies from person to person
so if you’re wanting to learn a diaphragm read the thing I would
recommend is get a read from Phelps get a read from native by Carlton and get a
read from Rocky Mountain hunting supply that’s gonna give you three different
size reads you’re gonna find out which one really fits you the best and that’s
the easiest way let the read choose you so if you can’t use diaphragm reads and
you’re looking for external type calls on the cow calls the custom from native
by Carlton is a good line the easy esters from Phelps is a good line the
the trophy wife from Rocky Mountain hunting calls is a
really good open read calc all those those are all three that I really like
208 custom makes a really good open read calc all Harrison calls out of Oregon
makes a really really good open read calc all nice and soft as far as bugles
go you could go with the selectable from Rocky Mountain Power bugle the
selectable from Rocky Mountain humming calls any of any of those external type
bugles would be good to start on will snow effect a cow’s behavior you know
Brandon it really really depends on how much snow if they can still get to their
feed they’re gonna stay in that area and still feed but if that snow get really
gets deep and it really makes it tough for them to access the feed then they’re
gonna start moving down to lower elevations to where that that feeds not
covered up with the snow so it just depends on how much snow you’re talking
about so the other thing too is if you get a snow and then it warms up and then
it cools back again and that snow gets that hard crust that’s gonna push them
down also so Jay good luck on the speed goat shootstraight’
thank you thank you so alright guys oh I just looked over on the film board
outdoor vitals so that backcountry sleep system with the hammock so I did test it
the first week the zero Degree bag is phenomenal it’s an outstanding bag the
hammock hmm not so much so what I would actually say is if you guys really
wanted a backcountry hammock sleep system get that zero Degree bag from
outdoor vitals and then go to Amazon and get it’s called winners outfitter it’s
their XL hammock it’s an extra-large hammock great hammock in fact that’s the
hammock that I normally always carry in my pack you guys will see that
I do the packed up video but great hammock combination with that sleeping
bag I can guarantee that you will sleep snug and warm and comfortable in the
backcountry and have a really good lightweight system so Matthew thinks
man’s you when I get back a Matthew best of luck safe travels look forward to
hearing your stories so Mountain tough you’re subs are going up we are we’re
gaining a few subs and a few followers on on youtube so definitely thank you to
all of you helping us grow so : and three bulls was definitely a great
experience Oh calling in any bulls I mean that’s it’s that’s that’s why we’re
out there so yeah the interaction I mean there’s a lot of times that my hunting
partners can attest to this that when I’m behind calling for them and I’m I’m
really engaged with a bull and we’re really going back and forth I just have
this grin from ear to ear because it’s just so much fun to hear them react and
see them react to you know what you’re doing with your calls and your sounds
and it’s just it’s it’s fun it’s it gets addicting you you you want it more and
more each day you you want to go out and and find more bulls and have those
interactions and have that time so love it guys so alright I think we are going
to wrap this one up for this Wednesday especially since my gym bull died I
guess I’ll have to get that all recorded up so thank you to all of you guys for
tuning in again tonight oh we have another one what do you what do you do
when the elk are absolutely not talking so jack great question so really what
you want to do on that one is you want to start looking for sign as long as
you’re finding fresh sign elk are in the area now if it’s dead quiet and you’re
not finding any fresh sign the elk aren’t there relocate to a new area but
as long as you’re finding fresh sign the elk are there and what you’re going to
want to do you’re going to want to set up you’re gonna want to do those blind
calling routines so the blind calling route
you’re normally sitting in that area for 45 minutes to an hour and it’s it’s you
know like I said if you’re focusing on any elk those cow sounds work really
really effectively if you do want bigger bulls the breeding sequence so for those
of you guys if you want to know more about you know this cow sequence or the
or the breeding sequence get a hold of me and we can talk about getting getting
a lesson setup I am getting cranked back up next week with lessons in fact next
week is almost already full and those guys are brand new students that have
multiple weeks so that’s gonna carry over into the next three to four weeks
so if you guys are ready to start working on next year get a hold of me
let’s get you on the schedule and let’s get going
so amazing insight Michael not just saying this archery hunters should
listen to this stuff appreciate that Freddie John thank you for the info
you’re very welcome Robert be blessed a blessings to you and
your family too as well Robert thanks for two men tonight John thank you for
great stuff alright guys as always keep calling keep practicing but most
importantly have fun I definitely really appreciate all of your support thank you
to all of you for tuning in tonight we will see you guys next week live again
on Wednesday night we will go at 7:30 since I do have lessons but we will see
you guys next week on the next episode of Wapiti Wednesday live Q&A have a great
week guys

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