Archery Annoyances #4 – The Samick Sage Syndrome
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Archery Annoyances #4 – The Samick Sage Syndrome

August 9, 2019


(music playing) Hi! It’s NUSensei, and today I’m poking a little fun at Reddit, so don’t take this too seriously. Over the last couple of months I’ve noticed a bit of a trend and I can’t quite figure out what’s going on. But I’m going to try. Over the Christmas break a lot of people have been getting into archery. So they’ve either been receiving bows or they are looking for one. And if you’re looking for one, you’re probably looking around, you’re asking about something that’s affordable, beginner friendly and generally a good bow. So… In almost every one of these threads someone comes in and says: “Get a Samick Sage!” So the buyer looks it up, they find a good deal and they get it, and they love it. So they review it. And then recommend it to the next guy. And all of the sudden the Samick Sage has become this go-to bow, that everyone recommends. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying the Sage is a bad bow, the Sage is a very good bow. Especially in its price range – it’s great value for money. But I don’t want to call it overrated, it’s certainly not this… …this magical bow, that can do what everyone claims it can do. I’ve shot the Sage …in fact I’ve shot the Samick Journey. Which is the same as the Sage, except it’s 2 inches longer. It’s a nice bow. it’s just… Most bows of this type in this price range will feel the same. I’m definetly not saying the Sage is bad. And I recommend the bow as well. It’s just that it’s often recommended for the wrong reasons. Like… It’s a really good bow and I’m happy with it. And that’s a fair comment. But in context, if you’re spending more that $100 on a bow, you’ll probably be happy with it. I mean, I’ve never actually seen someone spend that much money on a bow or more, and wasn’t happy. Whether it’s a takedown wooden recurve or an Olympic-style recurve. You get what you pay for. And any bow in the same price range will feel just as good. It’s not that the Sage feels any better. Every bow like that will feel just as statisfying. I mean, if you’re going towards the lower $50 range you get those really cheap fibreglass bows. That’s when things start feeling bit dissatisfying. Things break and it’s really cheap and plastic like. But if you’re getting, you know, a wooden recurve, or wooden takedown recurve, then regardless of which one you get, it won’t disappoint. Then there is this really easy to draw and learn with comment. While it is true, it’s a fair comment, but that’s more of a reflection of your chosen draw weight, rather than the bow itself. Some will say it shoots really well. Which can be true, but that’s more of a testimony to the shop setting up correctly and matching the right arrows. Or people say that you can swap limbs out and you can put different limbs. And you can do that, Yeah. But it’s not unique to Samick Sage. Every takedown recurve can swap limbs out. That’s not a Sage thing. That’s the pattern I’m trying to show here is that practically every other bow in the same price range of the same type can do these things. Just because everyone gets this bow, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a good bow. Now I’m not saying it’s not a good bow, it’s a good bow. But not for that reason. Someone actually had a go at me for challenging this mythical notion. “Hey, why don’t you recommend a few bows then?” Well where do we start? I mean there’s the… the Samick Polaris. There’s the Fuse Focus. The Win&Win Flame, the SF Optimo, the PSE Razorback. The Explorer 2.0, the Smoky Mountain Hunter. There are so many alternatives. And it’s only a small price variation, talking about, you know, $20 to each one. The only rule of difference is the wood it’s made out of. For beginners, it’s not going to make that much of a difference You could buy a slightly more expensive recurve, which costs like $200, $300, $400. And those have really quality wood finishes. That tend to feel a lot nicer. It’s more meant for the serious traditionalist or the serious hunter. But otherwise if you go for the $120 range, every bow is going to be very similar. So when you get a Samick Sage or an Optimo, or a Focus, or a Razorback, it’s not going to be much different. What I’m trying to say is that the Sage isn’t a unique bow. Just because a lot of people recommend it and buy it, doesn’t mean it’s better than other bows. I get it, I’m not saying it’s bad, it’s a very good bow and it comes with a good price and I’ll recommend it any day. But it’s not magical. I’m gonna end this video with 2 questions. One. If you have a Samick Sage, what do you like about it? And is it anything you think that it sets it apart from other bows? Two. If you have a similar bow, do you think the Sage is anything special, or anything different? I look forward for your responses. This is NUSensei. I’ll see you next time.

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  1. Hi NUSensei, love the videos I am wanting to get into archery but have a lower back problem so dont want to spend load out just in case I cant do this wonderful sport can you tell me if this is any good or not to start with Kind regards Neil
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201520768985?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&var=500704720198&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

  2. I have a fleetwood monarch (62/35) and a pse mustang (60/55). Both takedowns look, feel, and are built just as you say. The higher priced mustang is a nicer fit and finish, but both bows are of good quality materials for their purpose/price point. I really enjoy your content by the way!

  3. every hobby has a product like this
    archery: samick sage
    listening to music: koss porta pro
    paintball: empire axe
    knife throwing: Gil hibbens
    rc cars: traxxus
    playing instruments: yamaha/fender
    theyre all good companies/products, but recommended way too much or for dumb reasons

  4. update; well, it happened. I yielded to "the fad" & ordered my Sage (EXCALIBUR! – the angelic host "halleluyah"-ing away in the background as rays of heavenly light & grace shine down upon my thing of killing lol). looking forward to trying it out. probably get a sight for it, but think I'm going to give barebow a shot (pardon the pun) as well. it has been a year, but picked up a Barnett Wildcat C5 crossbow, 80lb crossbow pistol & a couple of slingshots in the mean time too. come this much-anticipated (apparently) "zombie apocalypse" we're all in for, I shall neither lack nor become food 😉

  5. Everybody raved about it and the price is pretty cheap, Since I am self taught at archery and know basically nothing-it seemed like a better starting option than buying a very expensive bow that people had mixed reviews on.

    Also liked the idea of a takedown bow, I can stick it in my backpack and take it with me without people feeling threatened by a guy with a bow and arrow.

  6. Your recommendation, all the hype, and the fact that it's not made in China, sold me on the Sage NUSensei. 😉 I've come to love it almost as much as your videos!

  7. I am just getting into archery, so have yet to buy a bow due to the fact that I like to over research anything I plan on buying. My two "main contenders" are the Samick Sage and the Martin Jaguar Elite. Like you said, there's not much difference between the two bows. The only real difference is what the risers are made of. Same price, pros/cons, etc… Anyways, I am leaning more towards the Jaguar as I plan to use the bow to hunt large game and feel that an aluminum riser would be more durable out in the mountains of Colorado than the wood one of the Sage.

  8. I have a sage. It's a good bow, I rwish I would have gotten something different though just because everybody has a Sage and I like to be different

  9. I have a Samick Sage. I do like it, but I am pretty sure there are better bows. I get on shooting spurts, and then stop because I start working a lot more hours. Let me ask you this. If I had a 45# Bear, and a 45# Sage and the Bear is of similar style, would the perceived amount of strength needed to pull the bow back feel different? I mean would it seem easier? Take Care. Jon

  10. Are there any other takedown bows in that range that are tooless? Major deciding factor for hiking, hunting and survival.

  11. My Sage has a limb that bends to one side when drawn. Didn't notice, as a beginner, 'til I'd had it some time and it chewed through 3 strings. Verify yours is good straight up front, don't just assume it's good out of the box.

  12. tell me everything you know about the samick sage…. And I'll tell you what a vagina feels like!

  13. I have a Martin diablo/panther and a Martin jaguar. now getting a sage just cuz I want a wood riser lol

  14. I just bought my first bow, not even kidding…Sammick Sage. I went through every review on most the bows on amazon. Looked for reviews on google. Got it today lol, I have no idea until I get my first dozen arrows if I will even like it. I used a spirit 30# last year as a loner and it was decent as far as I can tell. Will update once I have put a few hundred through my bow.

  15. The Amazonians are now saying you really want the Spyder from Southwest Archery. Thanks for the videos.

  16. can anyone help me , I've ordered this bow with 25# limbs , my first bow I purchased was a 40# go primal bow , rookie error couldn't draw it lol , so anyway this samick sage 25# limbs , what arrow spine do I need for this ? the charts are so confusing to me . tape measure pretend bow draw was 28 " ish .

  17. Once in a while a product comes along that has that kind of attraction, that other manufacturers try to emulate, even if their product is superior. That's the magic, it just happens. I decided to put together a decent budget target bow, and found the SAS explorer did the trick, I wanted an aluminum riser take down at 32lbs. to shoot every arrow I have, and it does just great. If i run it over or give it away, no big deal, I shoot it every day. Straight shooting, another great show, thanks!

  18. I have a Fleetwood Monarch which is very similar to a Samick Sage. Samick Sage is about $10-20 more. When I bought mine I was looking for a decent, inexpensive, beginner's bow. I have since had an opportunity to look at the differences, both online and in person. The Samick Sage has a slightly higher degree of finish on the riser. In person that is the only difference that I see. In the online descriptions of the bows the Samick Sage specifies the wood in the limbs, while the Fleetwood Monarch only says "hardwood". My guess is that they don't shoot very differently but I can't really tell since I haven't shot the Samick. I am very happy with my Fleetwood as a beginner. I am sure i will upgrade at some point. But right now I am shooting and learning. Figuring how to tune the bow, working on arrow tune, understanding draw length and arrow spine etc. Plus these entry level bows give you all the bosses to try out stabilizers, sights, plungers and rests etc that let you decide if you might want to go more olympic style as you progress.

  19. Saw a samick sage in a US online store for $150, then found one in an online shop from where I live and it was $665. IT SHOULD BE $240 AT MOST (taxes).
    I'll probably just import one when I get the chance, or make a cheap pvc bow.

  20. I have a sage but I also have 2 no brand Chinese made bows from eBay that shoot good too and are pretty durable .check my videos on my Chanel 😉

  21. I have a PSE NightHawk. I find it's very similar to the Samick Sage. I like the feel better on my bow, but that might just be an accustomed familiarity. Although shooting both today I felt like my bow handled vibrations better with no attachments compared to a Samick Sage(that had a stabilizers, plunger, sight) and although it still had less vibrations, I felt like I could still feel the core of the release feeling rougher on the Sage. To clarify, these bows were very close in draw weight. Mine is a 40 pounder which was only 5 pounds heavier that the Samick I shot. I don't understand how it feels better to me to shoot a bow with no attachment when the bow I shot had all this stuff meant to help with that.

  22. You did not mention that
    The tips are reinforced with Phenolic plasic, which means that the bow accepts FastFlight™ strings. I know of no other bow in this price range that has reinforced limb tips

  23. im using a personal handmade pvc slingbow, dw arround 23 lbs, and im happy with it. and can do some speed shooting (not realy quick, but still quicker dan common shoot)

  24. My Samick Sage performs well.  I have noted that I seem to suffer from increased flatulence when I shoot it.  Can I expect like results from other bows in this price range?

  25. Samick sage, a good bow? Yes, no, maybe. Depents on what you want it for. Is there such thing as the perfect bow? I doubt it. Some people will be more than happy with a sage, others totaly unhappy with a few thousand dollars worth of W&W bow.

  26. I’m a beginner at archery and have my sights set on the southwest archery “Spyder” takedown recurve. Most likely 30# anyone have experience with said bow?

  27. The bow is only as good as the person. Shooting it. Whether it be a self bow, samick , or a thousand dollar bow. If you can't shoot it then it's no good.

  28. I have the Toparcher 56" takedown recurve bow. I bought it for $100 on Amazon with a 40 pound draw weight. I really wish I purchased one with a lower draw weight. But it fires very smoothly and makes little noise when fired at full draw. I'm still getting used to it, I follow all your the tips and guides. I just got to deal with my sore fingers and back.

  29. I definitely get what he s saying I saw a review by an archery store today that this guy had me buying 2 of them. Yet there are a couple good reasons 1) under $200. more like $160. 2) you can buy the bow and upgrade limbs poundage. 3) the shelf that holds the limbs in place works and 3-1/2) the grip is not the standard recurve grip its the standard proper grip. Plus the craftsmanship is good- no I bet there are others that are built well – for $300-$400 !

  30. I think so many people recomend the Sammick Sage since you can get it almost anywhere unlike some other bows with comparable features. My first bow was a Ragim Matrix Evo. While this is not bad for a beginner by any means it's definitely not a bow you get on EVERY online shop… like the Sammick Sage…

  31. I had the same thing happen when I went looking for a recurve this year. I just don't like take downs. I am so glad that I got the one I did, which is not the Sage

  32. Well, I've had some good bows. Dalaa, Lee, Martin, Bear, and other than draw weight, they respond a lot alike. Got a Journey at 40#, cause I'm 70 now, and it shoots as well as the rest. It's more about the correct form and your own ability rather than the dollars spent. If you're a hunter, shoot canted, and want a bow that works just fine, you won't go wrong.

  33. I have a PSE Honor take down, and I honestly love it. Got it at a great deal because the store had it for 40% off, so I got it and I enjoy it because of how good of a deal i got. I know I would be just as satisfied with any other bow in the same peice range (it was 200 originally) but I got the Honor simply because of the deal I got.

  34. I got the sage 45lb for my 1st recurve and I love it. Got it set up and shot for 3 hours. I kept it traditional in setup. I looked at alot of the bows you mentioned but went with the sage after reading lots of reviews. And I liked the looks of it, pretty nice for the price. It fit my style. Now I'm addicted. Happy with my 1st bow choice.

  35. I bought a Samick Sage last week and have definitely loved it. That being said I don't have any other Bow to compare it to except for a Fiber glass Bow that I have that isn't even a recurve do to it not having the curve at the ends and obviously the difference is drastic. In no way do I believe it's the best Bow out there but for me as a beginner and the price range Id say it's amazing

  36. After comparing the Sage to similar bows in its price range, and reading many, many reviews: I ended up choosing the Samick Sage because: almost all of the other bows in that range had stories of the bows breaking (even with few reviews), replacement limbs are bountiful and priced low, a lot of bows in the lower price range can't accommodate fast strings, it is drilled and threaded for all kinds of attachments (I didn't find too many lower priced bows with this), and I found a really good deal. I could probably get a great deal because of its popularity and mass production. I don't expect it to do anything magical, but I am very excited to start my journey into the world of traditional archery.

  37. Nike VS Adidas. This company is very successful in marketing, advertising and positioning their products at Amazon. Sponsoring youtubers for reviews and unboxing is a phenomenal advertising strategy.

  38. Buy a cheap bow with the mindset that you have to do your magic to make it work versus buying an expensive bow thinking it'll do all the magic for you.

  39. Meh , I asked around at a local archery club and there was a wide array of experiences with other entry level bows and the season vets shooting 1500 dollar Stalker Stickbows and Black Widows and 3,000 customs were suggesting Samick Sage for the fact that they rarely see them break. I think there is something to it other than marketing hype. I recently just got a Fleetwood Monarch for my wife as it has a much slimmer profile than the Sage to get her started and the finish is crap compared to the Sage which is not obviously that great but it looks a lot nice than the Monarch. I also had a PSE Kingfisher and it was a POS and friends had various PSE and Mathews Entry level bows and they were replaced or broken within a year of shooting and I still have my Sage… Im upgrading to a different bow soon but I cant decide on a Slickstick or waiting another year or so and saving up for a Stalker Coyote.

  40. You are right all the way around, but I have a Samick Sage and I Like it for the price and it is a nice looking bow, shoots well at 40 yards with 45# draw and I have taken Deer, Elk, Antelope, Rabbit, Squirrel and game birds with it. But no there is nothing magical about it.

  41. This is my sammick sage. There are many like it. But this one is mine. The sammick sage is the toyota corolla of bows. It works. And its good. Thats it. But i still love my sammy 💕

  42. Im new to archery and ive got a sage in 45lbs. It works well for me as a beginner, but im sure I will out grow it and want something nicer soon. I picked this bow because of all the reveiws on line that your talking about. It was almost like there was no other choice. I do still enjoy shooting my bow, but I have to agree with you. If there were as many reveiws of other bows in the same price range, I could have possibly picked something else.

  43. I actually really appreciate that you're driven crazy by this sage syndrome because it pushed me to research more. I've since decided to go with the windrunner for my first takedown recurve.

  44. Good points. I have more money to spend but CANNOT find another bow. Nobody has one. Left hand 30# bows don’t seem to be available. I have $500 to spend on a bow. I can’t find a nicer alternative. Ideas?

  45. What stands the Samick Sage apart from all the other brands/bows? Uh, the Sage is readily available because of that trend and the price (even if the others are $20. more) is very consumer friendly. So much so, after a session of archery with the Sage, we can go out for burgers with the money I saved buying the bow. If all the other bows are basically alike, why spend more money than needed? The Samick Sage stands out among the others because it's a good bow for a good price….seems like an honest buy.

    During the night, I dream of owning and shooting a Win & Win Olympic style bow. That's a whole lot of burger money. ZZzzzzzz…….

  46. i have a few bows and i like my sage . its the AK47 of bows . nothing fancy , more for field than target but a good all round piece of kit .

  47. I have a smokey mountain hunter,
    Love it, being a sage copy the sage is not special, I'm not sure who the first person was to make these before they were copied but whichever that is, I would agree to be "different" on the fact that so many clones and rebranding have been made from them.

  48. Mandarin Duck is releasing a Black Hunter ILF model in early march. I really like their design so maybe I'll get that one

  49. Mine is a 30lb to start me out with. It’s pistol grip is easy in the hand. Little to now fatigue. Versatel light weight, well balanced. I am still learning how to tune it. But I would have to agree it’s not (magically enchanted) or something.

  50. I bought a mandrin duck windrunner 32lb. I love this bow my friend has a sage he loves his bow. Most of us new boys at the archery club have one of these wood takedown recurves when you see them all together at the club THEY ALL LOOK AND PREFORM THE SAME.

  51. My first bow was a Samick Polaris. Samick Sage wasn't in my budget at that time. When I entered our archery club, I saw, that every beginner in the club uses a Samick Polaris.

  52. One reason I bought a Sage is that it's so commonly recommended that I should be able to sell it quickly when I want to upgrade a bit or try something new. 😉

  53. I have a 40lb Sage, it's very good for price the finish isn't brilliant and it's quite heavy in mass weight, I don't think they're the most beautiful of bows but I seem to shoot accurately enough with it, so overall I think it's worth at least a 41/2 out of 5.

  54. The Samick Sage was my first bow, at the young age of 47. I marvelled at it like a child, wide eyed and smiling as I unboxed it. Aesthetically perfect. Just a joy to hold with the satin finish on the wood. Now, as I'm more experienced and own several bows, I have more to choose from when I shoot. I often find myself passing by my prized 1956 Bear Recurve, and taking my Sage down from the wall. It is now equipped with a Flemish twist bow string, and with the addition of a couple strips of moleskin and a bit of rabbit fur, it is almost completely silent with no vibration. I shoot off the shelf with no problem, and it always provides me with a positive, fun archery experience when I shoot. The same cannot be said for my Hoyt compound or my rather expensive Mongolian horse bow that I just had to have. I also find the balance to be quite manageable at full draw, without the need of a wrist strap or stabilizer. I do recommend always using a stringer to string it, however, as stringing it without will void manufacturers warranty. The reinforced tips are also a nice touch for a bow in this price range. I am hard pressed to find anything to complain about with the Samick Sage. It's just a great bow.

  55. I'm a beginner, I purchased, a PSE Night Hawk because that's what my local archery range fit me up to and happens to sell. Aside from the giant, ugly logo, I've been just as happy as any Samick Sage owner.

  56. Strangely I bought a new sage and was happy with it till I bought an old Samick sage cheaply for the limbs. There were subtle differences, the older riser was more comfortable to hold and I don’t know if it was just practice, but my shooting and groups improved. I agree nice bow in it’s price range, but probably similar to many others.

  57. Buck trail antelope
    Buck trail cougar
    Samick sage
    Ragim impala
    Which one to choose, please help because the choice is really difficult.

  58. First bow I used was a Polaris. Second was a Sage. Decided to purchase. Both very similar. I chose the Sage over the Polaris solely because I thought the white would look dirty very quickly.

  59. I just bought a Samick Sage. I chose it over the others in the same range primarily because I like the look of it.

  60. What? You talk about the sage bow so much! You are or ended up becoming one of the sage fan boys you were talking about 😝

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