Archery Annoyances #16 – Draw Weight Egos
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Archery Annoyances #16 – Draw Weight Egos

August 14, 2019


As you probably know I’ve done several videos covering the topic
of draw weight and what is considered to be a safe and acceptable
draw weight for people young and old. However, there is an obnoxious phenomenon that keeps on popping up. LOL 15 years old and 50lb bow I know a guy who is 13 and shoots 40lb I’m 13 and it takes 60lb before I struggle I’m 13 and I can shoot a 55lb easy LOL 14 35lb too light 14 30lb too easy 12 40lb shoot perfectly Look, there are a few things wrong with this. Firstly, if you’re 12 years old, you’re probably
not drawing the printed draw weight. That draw weight assumes that you have draw
length of 28 inches. If you are less than 28 inches long and that’s likely, given you’re 12 years old, then you are only drawing a fraction of that
draw weight. So a 45lb bow may only be around 30lb on your
fingers and that’s nothing to boast about. Secondly, if you’re shooting compound, there’s
nothing to brag about. The compound holds most of the weight for
you. Every compound shooter knows this. It’s a basic fundamental of a compound bow. There’s nothing impressive about being able
to use a super-heavy compound. Once you pull it back past that let-off bang you’ve got 20lb on your fingers. Nothing impressive. Thirdly, a lot of these people are making
the claim Oh, I shoot fine. What does that even mean? How do you quantify how fine you shoot? Can you hit a coin from 50 metres? Can you get touching groupings at 70 metres? Are you robin-hooding every single shot? Unless you can quantify and measure what shooting
fine means this means nothing. And most importantly NO ONE CARES Your draw weight is a number, not a competition. It isn’t a competition about how much you
can lift. It doesn’t matter if you can hold 70lb bow. If your form is terrible and you can’t hit the broad side of a barn
from the inside then you have absolutely no achievement to
speak of. The draw weight does not reflect how great
you are. It reflects what you need. Beyond a certain point, and I’m talking about
35lb your bow can be shot at all competitive distances. That’s 70, even 90 metres. Beyond that, it’s a balance between whether
you want fast velocity and a flatter trajectory compared to having
more control and consistency. If you’re a strong person who can handle a
heavier draw weight then there are some advantages that you have. But this doesn’t make you a better archer. The only thing that makes you a better archer is how consistent you are with your accuracy
and precision. This is how you measure progress. It’s not the number printed on your limbs. It’s the number on your scorecard. It’s your personal best. It’s your rating. Your progression in your draw weight does
not reflect becoming better. It reflects that you need a higher draw weight and you are ready for a higher draw weight. Otherwise it’s just another equipment choice. It’d be like bragging that you can lift a
heavier bowling ball or you have a larger shoe size or you can play tennis with a smaller racquet. These things don’t matter. Size and weight don’t matter. It’s what you do with it. Seeing these braggarts stating their age and
draw weight shows how juvenile this is. Having a higher draw weight doesn’t make you
any more a man. You’re not comparing genitalia. It doesn’t matter how long how stiff or how you release Equipment is chosen and personalised for the
individual. There is no basis for having a superiority
complex. And if you are one of those young people who
has naturally high strength and can use a high power bow comfortably. Good for you. I don’t have an issue with you. My problem is that you don’t realise the effect you have by bragging about your
great draw weight. You are creating an attitude and a culture
where heavier is better. You are misleading beginners into thinking
that they have to be shooting heavier bows if they want to be a better archer. You are making people go Oh, I’ve got to man up and shoot 50lb bows because when you were 10 years old, you were
shooting bows made from unicorn horns and strung with Chuck
Norris’ nostril hair Just because you can handle it doesn’t mean
everyone else can. Anyone who has worked with beginners at a
club or a range knows that the average person cannot handle
these weights. What you are encouraging, passively or otherwise, is this image of how you have to get higher
draw weights to show your ability and advancement. People get afraid of buying a bow that is
too light because people shoot 60lb bows, so should
I. This 20lb bow is too light for me. But the reality is, what if they need a 20lb
bow? That’s what they are capable of. That’s how
they learn. You learn with lower draw weights. That’s why we recommend them. If people could shoot 60lb bows, then we wouldn’t
need to have light bows. It’s normal for people to start low. And they shouldn’t feel bad; they shouldn’t
feel like a pansy for shooting a bow that is of an average beginner
weight. You’ve got to stop promoting that. What ends up happening is that people don’t
shoot well They can’t learn with their heavy bows They risk injury And they give up. This why, as instructors, we always err towards
the lower side. Sure, the average person does have the capacity
to work up to a higher draw weight. But that is not a given. That is an assumption. The assumption is that people have the same
drive and goals and motivation that you have to shoot a higher
draw weight. Not everyone needs this. If you’re just shooting stuff in your backyard
for fun then you don’t need a 60lb compound bow. Sure, if you’re hunting or shooting long distance these are factors you have to consider. But for most people, draw weight isn’t something
you have to aim for. If your goal is to improve your strength and
shoot a heavier bow that’s fantastic, that’s your archery goal but other people don’t have to conform to
your idea of what makes a good archer. If you think that posting your pre-teen age along with some random draw weight will make people impressed, think again. If you do this in real life, if you go out
to a club and brag about your draw weight to people
who are regular shooters literally no one will care. No one is going to bow down and go Wow this kid has a 60lb bow. No one’s going to do that. In fact, most archers are sensible enough
to ask if you are okay. Because people can more about your physical
state and your wellbeing and your safety more so
than your awesomeness. Okay, look, I’m 28. I shoot a recurve bow
that is 32lb on the fingers. I’ve outscored 45lb compound shooters. I’ve been outscored by 30lb barebow shooters. Draw weight doesn’t define you as an archer. It doesn’t reflect how skilled you are, how
good you are or how strong you are. What matters is that you get the draw weight
that you need. Unless you need higher draw weights for a
specific reason such as long distance shooting or hunting then you don’t have to play this numbers game. Don’t feed people’s egos. So my question for you viewers is Is this just me? I mean, I see this a lot online, on my videos but I’ve never actually seen this in real
life. So, I’m wondering have you come across people
in real life who actually do have a draw weight ego. Post your experiences below. This is NUSensei bring you another Archery
Annoyance.

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  1. I have an "obnoxious" work colleague who scoffed at my then soon to be xmas bow of #34 (he shoots but doesn't own a bow) it's actually #40 on my fingers, I'm over bowed, as a beginner I fell in to that trap so bought a new set of limbs #30, #36 on my fingers which is perfect. I will work up to #34 later.

  2. I know this is an old video now, but I still thought I'd share my experience.  I was recently at a store, looking into my options for a first bow.  I was looking at a particular model and asked the guy at the counter if he had something like 35# in that bow, since it was going to be the first bow I've shot since summer camp (20 years ago), and the first bow I've ever owned.  I also told him it was just for target shooting, no hunting.  He almost looked disgusted, and said "you are going to get bored with a 35# bow really quick."  He handed me a 45# bow and I drew it a couple times and he said, "You may even want to go a bit higher than that.  A big, strong guy like you could handle it."

    I thanked him for his time and left.

  3. Bragging is kind of silly, I can shoot a 130lb dw recurve, but I need more expensive >200 spine arrows otherwise my arrows fly randomly. It's a great workout and good for hunting. But a day at the range will wear me out and there will always people who shoot 180lb English longbows with their hunchbacks. Even with my ability I'm not the strongest nor most accurate at all distances, because I don't need to hit tiny bullseyes nor shoot knights etc

  4. your repeating yourself multiple times and wingeing on like a ranter. calm down. the best way to get people to NOT listen to you is to winge on like your angry. cheers

  5. Well, when you CAN shoot a 70# recurve bow with only fingers and not left off, not even any assistance, maybe even without finger protection , that's another story~
    Its a story you can or you cannot, skip the missing or hitting, just draw it to full draw before considering hitting or not, can or cannot is the question~If you can, any bow below 70#, you can shoot very well once after few dozens for warming up and getting use to the new bow itself~

    In chinese "一力降十會", if you have the physical strength required, you can master any skills ~ At least its my feeling when shooting a 60# bow after trained with a 70+# barebow, it just pure fun, I can really relax and fine tune any fixture, try whatever stand and frame just to see what makes the difference, skip all the BS and straight to the point….

  6. im 12 and i shoot 120 english longbow with a 40 in draw.,…… and im pretty consistent …… 30inc group in 10 meters.

  7. once when I was 16 years old (my first time learning archery) my archery instructor made us used the 30# bow, saying that 20# bow is for small girls only and also said that his 8 year old niece can draw more than 20#.

    guess what, I've lost interest in archery ever since.

    9 years later I pick it back up, using 20# bow to begin with. Now back in love with archery

  8. i hav a 28 pound recurve bow and a draw length of about 30 – 32 inches could i get a bigger draw weight?

  9. Shooting a 50 pound bow at 13 is nothing, I can span a 1250 pound medieval crossbow without a windlass

  10. I dunno, I mean for the most part sure, but I think once you get to shooting warbow weights you might have some bragging rights. My hats off to anyone shooting a 120# Whitewolf with any level of accuracy.

  11. Thiers this one bow I really want to get but the lowest draw weight it comes in is 35. I want to work up from the 25 draw weight I can do now to 35 then I can get the bow I like the most. The only reason draw weight matters to me right now is because I really want that one bow really bad. Is that a bad reason to want to work up to higher draw weight? In your opinion?

  12. i am 16 yo and i want to buy a recurve bow .. i am 170 cm do you think i should buy it with 45 lb draw weight or lower?
    plsss help me

  13. They say Odysseus could string a bow made from unicorn bone and string made from Chuck Norris' nostril hair, and shoot consistently through hoops from across the palace.

  14. i have three bows.. 25lbs, 30lbs and 40lbs.. Which one do i use the most? depends, but noemaly i use the 30.. Why do i have a 40lbs bow? good question.. Seemd like a good idea back when i bought it.. Not so much now, considering i'm getting excausted after 50-60 shots..

  15. The books that Lars Anderson uses both mention that a bow should be as heavy as possible, for stopping power, but is secondary to the ability for the archer to aim. An archer that can hit vitals consistently is superior over an inconsistent archer that has more stopping power. However, heavier draw while hitting vitals consistently is of course preferred.

  16. As long as you have a good form and you can hit a target AND not hurt yourself, go on

  17. Yeah. I noticed that its just yet another foolish false ego boosting attempt of men, mostly younger men who want to feel important. Little do people realize that such statements only make them look like they are seeking attention. I have not seen it in real life. I think its because those who brag like likely have poor form and poor accuracy. Although making clear what weight is being used and fired is important for making sure a bow is fit to hunt with if need be, it should never be a bragging matter, just a practical one, the desire being to ensure a clean kill.

  18. I'm more impressed by the person hitting a coin at a 100m with a half pound draw, than someone drawing a warbow and can't do anything with it. Kids trying to act above their age, but are actually acting like their shoe size… Skill and placement

  19. I am 5'11 and 240lbs, I bought 32# for my first bow so I can shoot for 1-2 hours. My goal is to collect a lot of arrow to get my fat ass walking more.

  20. 56 years old 6.2" and use 24 # all day long! grouping at 20 meters is 3 inch …… my daughter is on 20# and shoots better than me……..;-)

  21. Warning: do not attempt to shoot the broad side of a barn while standing within said barn. Also, shooting a barn is illegal in many states unless in self defense.

  22. I can confirm that most of draw weight egos are from beginners.
    I talked to some people in the court, one who has at least 10-year experience in traditional bow said that he needed 80 lbs because the 50 lbs can't shoot far enough at 100m, but he couldn't handle it. He had to practice several months to get used to it. And the other shoots competitive freestyle for 4 years said that she needed to move to 50 lbs because the 40 lbs was too light to shoot, but she can still get a really really high score in the competition.
    These people have a purpose to change their draw weight. It's not something to brag about, really…

  23. i'm 16 and I shoot 8-20# no I don't robin hood every shot. but I do split apples at 20 meters…… that doesn't matter, do what NuSensei says. start with what you are capable of, or what you need.

  24. Few years late but, yes.
    My dad.
    I had a 50# compound for ages. Heavy enough but easy to hold.
    He always teased me about it. How weak it was.
    50#. Weak. It had range and power and I shot consistently at 35 yards. Longest shot you should be taking while hunting.

    He went out and bought a 70# mathews. Attempted to draw it several times. I even showed him how to lower the poundage on a mathews.

    He couldn't draw it still.
    I now own a mathews.
    Needs new cam as his draw length is much smaller than mine.

    So I guess he had a false draw weight ego. Thought because he lifts weights and I didn't that he could handle a heavier bow.

  25. Considering how much stuff is usually in barns I'd say it's actually quite easy to "miss the broadside of the barn from the inside" 😀

  26. I'm shooting 40#s. I could probably go higher, in fact many of my shooting peers always push me to do so. But I'm comfortable where I'm at, shooting well, and confident in my abilities. Can't think of any reason I should change for a higher draw weight. There seems to be more testosterone flying through the air than arrows at my range.

  27. I always compared draw weight queens to people bragging that they have a longer draw length. Lol with the level of efficiency we have in bows now, it honestly doesnt matter.

  28. "Im only 12 and shoot a 48 pound recurve." By this logic, when I am 50, I will be able to shoot a 200 pound recurve no problem right?

  29. I’m 24 started shooting last year. I only shoot traditional the first bow I shot was 55 pounds my first bow was 60. I did this with conditioning in mind I’d say the learning curve is different I’m now at the point where I have a good consistent draw and focusing on accuracy. I’d say that getting a heavy bow as a beginner definitely means it will take longer to reach certain milestones. But also now when I pull a 50 pound bow it’s much much smoother. Just a novices opinion. Also drawing back is more technique than strength.

  30. Bought a bear cruzer x today…came with a 70lb draw weight took it home shot it once with my fingers and took half the surface of my forearm off ended in the hospital. wish I would have watched your videos before I thought I was a pro and just because I got it pulled back doesn't mean you can shoot it safely I recognised that I held it wrong and form was wrong hopefully in a couple weeks I'll be shooting safe groups lol

  31. At the national championships a few years back here in iceland, many of the older guys (25-30) years old were bragging about their bow weight, they had a "real man bow" which was at least 45# at the start of the second 30 arrows they all had terrible form, were shaking like crazy and shot horribly, but they had "a real man bow" i was then 15, with a 30 pound bow and shot way better than them
    Now i´m 19 and using a 32# bow which i draw to 34# i just ordered 42# arms mainly for the outdoor season, i plan on adjusting the tillers down to about 38-40# to begin with then work my way up to 44# which i would draw the new arms

  32. I'm learning on a 45lbs recurve but that was for potentially hunting and cost reduction in not opting for lighter limbs to learn with first

  33. I'm 34 and I'm only just now upgrading to a 30lb recurve, I've been shooting 20-28lbs for nearly a year, I can only pull a 75lb compound because of the gears. To those who brag about their draw weights and their ages here's what I can say: Prove it

  34. It’s like motorcycles. People who start on big powerful bikes never progress to become fast and safe riders. People who started on smaller bikes who eventually get larger more powerful machines always run rings around the ego riders 😂. Wow you can do 180mph! So why’s your lap time 20 seconds off the rider who’s riding a bike with a 1/4 of the horsepower then?🤔

  35. Well, I do have a draw weight ego, but it's because of the legal minimum for hunting in Europe which is 45# without taking into account kinetic energy of the arrows and broadheads.
    While a lower pound bow will always be better in competitions and the range due to obvious reasons like easier to keep good form for longer and less fatigue at the end of the day.

  36. Every young archer are beginner I've come across this past few years has this heavy draw weight ego. I've been shooting archery since 1963. I am now at the rip old age 68 still shooting the same weight 37 lbs @ 27 inches since 1963. And all I can hear now from beginners is I'm going to buy 45 or 40 limbs as their new intermediate bow. It's totally crazy

  37. Recently a newbe at the club who was shooting 22. Lbs got advise from the our club coach that it was a good idea to get new limbs and he recommended 40 lbs to the beginner. So actually the beginner was making a jump of 18 lbs which is unbelievable. Needless to say the beginner totally Lost control of his technique and couldn't shoot two arrows together

  38. Gosh I really want to get back into archery and I really am interested in the Black Hunter and the Windrunner but 30# to me seems a bit much… should I play it safe with the 20# Windrunner?

  39. It's a common problem in many sports, I've noticed – but it mostly affects younger people. I remember how football players would be a pain when I was still in school for example, constantly bragging even to people who did not care about it 😀

  40. I love my heavy war bows. But I got these more out of interest. I would never use these for hunting. Im not terrible but im also not anywhere near as accurate as i am with my compound. Yet for some reason. I love shooting my mrs 30lb recurve probably more than my compound or war bows. Its just plain fun. And my sons 25 pounder is just as good. I kinda like the lower draw weights.

  41. What do you expect from teenagers! pulling a big draw weight is still a good achievement for them even know it is most likely not sustainable long term.

  42. Love this video!!!!! Here's my story: When I went to buy my first bow (I will not name the retailer) I was looking for a 15# or 20# bow to learn archery but I settled on a nicer 25# bow. As I was leaving the archer department to purchase the bow a salesman stopped me and proceeded to tell me that I would need something heavier like a 50# bow for someone my size. I will not buy any more bows from that store. I ended up making myself a 15# PVC bow to learn on and worked my way up to the 25# bow that I purchased and now I have a 40# compound bow that I am attempting to get proficient on. I also also saw an answer to a question on Amazon where someone was asking what draw weight to start with and someone actually said 'I started with a 50# bow as a teenager'. Professional weight lifters did not start with their max weight when they started lifting – that would be insane! Stop the madness people!!!

  43. Buddy of mine has a compound bow with a high draw weight 70lbs I think he was making fun of my 35lb at 26in recurve. Said it was too light and that I was a puss. After a shoot off at 15mters 10/10 for me 7/10 for him. Target was a 12 inch circle.

  44. Hahaha I'm new new (literally got my bow yesterday) I'm 30 and my bow is a 64" 18 pound draw weight, and i was like "is 18 pound lightest???" Haha 🙈🤣🤣🤣🤣
    In my defense, i do have arthritis and didn't want to push it to begin with.
    I Don't mind being a weakling these days. 🤣🤣🤣

  45. Great rant. But you’re right. Let’s thank the nation of macho men, AMERICA. They even go shopping and socialising in CAMOUFLAGE. And all the tough guys in tees are tattooed, gee I’m scared. Australia stop copying those losers. Listen to this REAL MAN, 35# is plenty to have fun.

  46. Personally don’t no why people would fixat on the Draw weight im amateur Archer and im more concerned with how many arrows i get on target which I thought was more of the point of the sport not that im that good

  47. As a newbie looking for his first bow, at 6’3” and 19 stone (ish) who has spent most of my life as a steel fabricator and welder, is thinking of a lower draw weight between 22# to 30# max
    As I haven’t got any dragons or dark knights to slay I don’t need the “Chuck Norris” special.

  48. "I'm 5 hours old and I can pull an 80lb recurve with absolutely perfect aim"

    Btw, I love how heated you get in these videos

    And yes I'm just now watching and commenting after 3.5 years 😛

  49. You though I meant years? Lol, i'm 12 weeks old. My dad gave me a #100 bow when I was born, but it was too easy to shoot. Been shooting bows all my life.

  50. I'm 8 years old and can draw #110 lbs easy.

    Just kidding, I use a rifle. But I am looking to buy a bow and try it out for myself, so thanks for the solid advice!

  51. I love this. I'm not tryna bury the arrow up to the fletching from 70m 🤣The only thing I've personalluy heard by way of draw weight bragging was a little girl who was just starting. I figured, yeah, she'll get a more serious perspective as she advances. Where I've seen toxic bragging is, of course, *online*.

  52. I'm an ancient elder god older than the universe and i can't draw even a 10# youth bow because i don't have arms

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