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Archery | 5 Reasons Your Coach Probably Hates You

August 13, 2019

Hi guys. This is NUSensei.
While many people start out in archery on their own, advancement in archery is greatly
aided, if not made possible, by a coach. Getting the basics of archery right
isn’t that hard, but there are so many things that require someone else to
identify, preferably someone with a lot more knowledge and experience. That said, often the relationship between a coach
and a student can be a hard one, and this applies to any sport. I’m certainly not
the perfect, innocent student, and a lot of this has come through hard experience.
For those who are self-taught, you are your own coach. So you may find that
these things affect you and frustrate you as well. So without further ado, here
are five reasons why your coach probably hates you. You Think You Know Better Archery is unique in some regards.
Because it’s an individual sport which primarily involves you competing against
yourself, you don’t get that feedback loop that drives you to become better. Consequently, there’s a tendency that you
think that you’re doing fine. After all your coach isn’t the one who’s shooting. It’s
you, and you know yourself best. That’s really frustrating. Understand that your
coach can’t force you to do something. They can greatly encourage or discourage you
from doing something, but they can’t force you. Now, this isn’t an open
invitation to ignore everything your coach says. Remember, there’s probably a reason
why you have a coach in the first place. You don’t know what you don’t know.
That’s why the coach is there to tell you. So if you go
“I don’t want to change this, my way is better,” then your coach will generally let you have your way. Part of
this is because, to an extent, there’s an element of trust, and that you should be
allowed to make mistakes, but don’t be surprised when you do make those mistakes. Unfortunately, this may mean that
your growth as an archer is stunted by months, if not years. If you’re the kind
of person who is a bit self-conscious , or gets defensive when receiving feedback or
criticism, you may want to let go of that and give your coach some respect. They probably know what they’re doing. You probably don’t. You keep buying stuff you don’t need. Buying archery equipment is an addiction. You don’t just buy one thing.
You buy a new finger tab. You buy new arrows.
You buy new limbs. You just want to “pimp” your bow with the
newest and often more expensive stuff to get more feet per second, and I get it.
Tinkering with your bow can be fun, except when it ruins what your coach has
set up for you. If you’ve been spending any amount of time with your coach, your
coach will be familiar with your equipment and your form. Your training sessions
will focus on addressing certain part of your form that are causing problems.
Equipment is fairly easy to diagnose, so when your bow is in tune,
it’s mostly form practice. So when you suddenly decided change
something, and you start shooting poorly, your coach is going to be completely
puzzled, because he or she might not know that you’ve done something unnecessary
to your bow. That may be something as simple as changing a bow string, or replacing
an arrow rest, or even adding grip tape to your bow. While these things may seem
better to you, you might not actually need them, and your bow now needs to be
retuned. Again, your coach won’t force you to do things his or her way however understand that changing your equipment
is going to change how you shoot, and upgrading part of your bow isn’t
necessarily going to make things better. You should consult with your coach
before buying something different. This is partly so that you understand why
you’re getting it in the first place and not just doing an impulsive buy. You get too much feedback from other people. This one is especially true if you’re
a keen, fast learner, and a perfectionist. Instead of waiting to get feedback from your couch, you’re looking to get feedback from many
other people. It might be from your friends. It might be from posting a video online
asking for form checks and comments, and there’s nothing really wrong with this in itself. The problem, however, is that your coach
knows you more than anyone else . They know your equipment. They know your style.
They know your strengths and weaknesses. They’ve planned out what you need to work
on, and they need you to follow that plan. When you start asking around for more
advice from different people, you start getting some contradictory/conflicting advice. It might be an observation on your stance
or your grip, or it may be a criticism of your choice of brand or archery
equipment. Most of the time it’s not meant to be an ill intent, but sometimes
people just say things for the sake of saying things. It’s like, for example,
you shoot with an open stance, and someone tells you “you know, you might want to try a closed stance.” There’s no reason to change unless there is a need. If the coach identifies a need, they will
encourage you to try something else, but don’t just act on random opinions and
try it out, because that messes you up. You no longer have consistency, and, look, your
coach isn’t an egotist. They’re not going to claim 100% of your
training because it’s their method. They just need to know what you’re doing.
By the way, this is also very important to keep in mind for yourself. If you go to a
tournament, and especially when there are new archers on the line, you may feel
tempted to add your own commentary to what they’re doing, or going to point
out things about their equipment, and again it feels like you’re doing the
right thing, but just keep in mind that these archers have probably been
trained to do certain things for a certain reason. So if it’s mid-tournament, and you mention
something about their stance, it’s going to throw them off, and that’s really bad
sportsmanship. It’s something which, again, people mean to say so, but it’s just a
culture where people will just criticize things, and it really messes people up.
You just shouldn’t do it. Especially with new archers, it causes a lot
of confusion. It leads them to make bad decisions based on one person’s, probably
very biased, opinion. Look, while getting different perspectives can help, keep the
conversation going with your own coach, and, look, they have the most
perspective of you. So value things differently. Weigh things differently. If
people you trust are sharing their experiences, weigh that against what your
coach will say, because your coach knows you better than anyone else. You don’t train often enough. New archers, especially those taking archery as a sport, tend to
treat it as a weekend recreational activity and not a sporting commitment.
This is fine. Much of the arch experience is social,
however, to make progress with your archery you have to train.
I don’t mean shooting. I mean training. Training involves drills
and skills, and things that may not be fun, but you’ve got to do it. If you’re
only shooting once a week you’re not really going to make much, if any, progress.
For those who only shoot once a week the expectation the coach has is that you are going to
do something throughout the week to train. This might be shooting in your
garage, or doing conditioning exercises, or using a stretching band. You need to
build up the fitness and the muscle memory to use your equipment well. Also keep in
mind that if you’re only turning up once a week on average, that’s on average. This means that there are weeks that
you won’t turn up, maybe because you’re feeling sick, or
maybe you have another commitment and that’s normal, but if you’re not maintaining a
training regiment, you’re going to regress, which means you’re going to feel
less inclined to shoot, and then you end up dropping out of archery. That’s a fairly
typical doom cycle. This may seem like a very drastic flowchart, but this happens
to more people than not. It’s just that people who lose that motivation to train
will lose the motivation to shoot. Your coach doesn’t just want you to train because
he wants to make you feel bad. Your coach wants you to stay with the sport.
If you don’t want to become better, you’re not likely to keep on shooting for
more than a month. Archery rewards people who have that intrinsic motivation to become
better. To become better shooters and to become better individuals, and if you don’t want
to become better, if you just want to shoot for fun, then it’s not something
which will motivate you to keep on shooting. You’re too ambitious. This is my primary fault, and some might
say this isn’t a fault. After all, it’s great to see hunger and drive and personal
bests, and many archers get into competition and make state team
selection within months. Archery is a sport, and, like any other sport, some people
can have talent and hard work and build up foundational skills faster than others.
Your coach might simply not consider you ready. Now this doesn’t stop you from
entering competitions, nor should it, but it’s important to go in with the mentality of enjoying the
experience rather than trying to set records. What ends up happening is that
you might become fixated on getting higher scores and shooting more events and
neglecting your training. Again, training is not the same as shooting. Shooting
events will give you scores and ranking points and experience, but you still have to
train. Sooner or later you reach a plateau. You just can’t exceed the score
you want, and you start to regress because, you know, you’ve forgotten that you are
still a learner, and still need to consolidate your form and technique before you can
compete seriously. You need to build muscle memory and consistency and endurance.
If you are competing for fun that’s great, but if you let it get to
your head, you start making every mistake your coach has warned you about, and
he’ll be there going “I told you so.” Anyway, that’s my quick list of things that I
think will annoy coaches. I’m curious about your experiences. If you have your
own coach I would like to know the things that your coach finds frustrating
with you, and, if you are a coach, what are the things which disappoint you. Anyway, this is NUSensei,
hope you found this interesting, Thanks for watching,
and I’ll see you next time.

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  1. Nusensei im having a hard time using a sight on. my recurve can u recomend witch of your videos can help ive been with a club for a while and i atualy use tunning manal from archery Australia i found thats a revilation i shoot gr8 with out a sight but i cant seem to change ancherfrom my cheek to under my jaw and when i get frustrated with the sight i take it off to gain my confidence back

  2. What about people who repeatedly fail to obey safety instructions?

    Different activity but I had someone like this in my dojo a while ago.

    Does this happen very often? What do you do in this situation?

  3. My Coach hates me sometimes, because I know better than him.
    I train sometimes with an Coach who works with the Olympic Team and he tells me what I do right or wrong.
    When I train at my local Club, then my Coach says that im doing it wrong althoug the "better" and more experienced Coach said im doing it right

  4. I'm kind of self taught, so I guess to you I'm my own coach. What I hate about coaching myself is making myself out to be enemy when I'm trying to improve myself as an archer because I'm not trying to be the enemy. Sounds weird doesn't it, anyways, good luck!

  5. I've wanted to buy a recurve bow for a long time just to have some fun in the garden from time to time, do you know a good bow that's not too expensive for this cause? hoping you can help me.

  6. Hi, NUSensei. i am an archer from Singapore 🙂 i got a lot of knowledge from your video and i keep recommending your video to my junior archer so keep up the good work :).

    about my school coach knowing me more than other people, i kind of disagree on that as my school coach doesn't come often to coach us and he doesn't give me the feeling of motivation to keep on shooting or be in the sport (but still i am shooting as i like it) .
    on the other hand i have another coach outside but i don't see her as often as my school coach and she give me more motivation and she show a lot more encouragement to me even tho i not in her club. she also know more about me than my school coach despite that i seen her less than 3 time a month.
    it quite frustrating when he doesn't come regularly to guide my juniors, in fact my archer are lacking practice in order to guide my juniors.

    My question is , shouldn't a coach be active and supporting the archer in their progress to become a good archer in the future or even now ?

    tell me what you think. glad to hear from you

    your truly,

  7. i sometimes coach someone(not profesionally, jushelping out), and one thing i can get frustrted about if im explaining something and someone else comes and does it all over again, and why its important, and they ramble on about 5 minutes before leaving and the student is like wtf should i do now….

  8. hey nusensei, looking to install a small stabilizer near the top limb pocket of my sage (similar to the one you have on your inno cxt) any advice on how to accomplish this?


  9. archers should take note of this video when I was a novice archer I use to shoot with a coach 3 times a week he got me up to master bowmen "they can see things that you can't"

  10. Thank you NUsensei
    You cover all Point
    this all reason really disturbing All Archery Coaches
    i share this video to my all Archers & Parents

    Thank you very much

  11. At the end of my previous lesson, I told my coach that my arrows tend to spread horizontally. Then he told me that I need to improve my Stance, Form, Grip, Anchor and Release. That is pretty much everything I guess..

    I was thinking that my makeshift arrow rest was bad, or my string is not good, or I need to get a decent plunger. But it is actually everything to do with the technique. It took me some time to realize the real meaning of what he has told me.

  12. I started archery because it was cool. And then soon I realized that it makes my mind expand and trains to focus and allows to target at something, not only the literal target, but the target of perfect technique.

    It was back in 2009, and I followed the lessons for 2 months for every single weekend. Then I had some trouble with almost everything and had no mind to focus on a sport. Only last month I started back.

  13. In our archery school, I have followed the first two courses 7 years ago. And when I went recently to rejoin, all I wanted was to renew my membership and just shoot and have fun while improving myself by myself at my phase.

    But the management said that they have no records of me, and they can't let me shoot without following their first two classes. In the beginning I didn't agree with that because I have already followed the first two classes, "7 years ago".!

    But finally I got the membership and also paid for the first two courses. Now I have a wonderful coach, and everything about archery is so much better than I have previously envisioned for me on archery..

  14. Hi NuSensei. I recently went back to use my leather glove. My coach gave me a tab and I felt, after three weeks of practice, that those two layers were making a game that twisted my shooting. My coach says, he will give me another tab, because the one I used before had too large leather strips. I would like to know: Besides the interdigit wall that prevents the fingers to touch or intervene with the arrow, What is the big deal with the Tab over the glove? Yes I saw your video about Tab differences.

  15. I agree with treating a coach with respect, but it's a two-way street. There are too many teachers and coaches who think that belittling someone over their inexperience or their mistakes is acceptable behaviour. By all means, correct my form, great, help me learn. Public humiliation, however, is really not OK.

  16. My coach hates me because he believes that an open stance is "the best stance" but i can FEEL and shoot beter with a closed stance with a nice alignement. So sorry, Nu, sometimes the student knows beter.
    He also hates my lack of knowledge about bow settings without teaching me anything about it.
    After a few monthes I found out he's just a dick so I mooved to another club.
    Coaches can suck.

  17. And YES !!! Training is SOOOOO important ! Me release still sucks for many reasons : wrong aiming process, clicker clicked too soon, thinking about my stupid release before shooting etc… but it gets better as training goes 😀

  18. love my coaches, the most memorable one was a guy who when I switched to a back tension release taught me to shoot it. I picked up by habits but he set the straight by one giving me examples of how to do it. I watched him shoot the several different types ways. then when I still was not yet over the hump and in a pretty big hole he would stand right next to me on the line and tell me what to do before a drew my bow. if I hesitated doing anything he immediately told me let down, if I set the release off the wrong way by rolling my wrist he would tell me. my favorite quote from him was " you know I'm just gonna keep telling you to do it and bugging you untill you do it, right?" great coach I learnt from. I've had many other coaches who helped me a lot but, he was the one who helped me out of one of the worst slumps I've ever been in.

  19. Dear NUSensei 先生

    I enrolled in an archery course at my school and we only get to train once a week. I know that's not enough, but how can I train myself without my own bow? (apart from watching your videos of course) How can I motivate myself to do better?

    It has also been my dream to perform well enough to be selected for the school team. Could this be too….ambitious?


  20. Been watching your videos, NUSensei – love 'em, mostly…I have ab't 2 years in – practising almost everyday for a short while.
    But tanks?? No, thanks

  21. I yeach all of my students a magic phrase when others offer "suggestions. It is "Thanks for the advice I will tell my coach the next time I see him/her." This is especially important for young archers who can be perceived as being anti-social if they don't immediately take the advice of an adult. I urge them to write down that advice and bring it to their next lesson (or email about it) for discussion. It may be good advice. Too often, though, it is misguided because it deflects the archer from working on what has been determined to be the most important thing to be working on now.

    I also suggest that it is probably wise to listen to your teachers more when you are close to the beginning of a study and then listen to yourself more as you become more knowledgeable. (I gave this advice to my students when I was a school teacher.)

    I also have a principle of coaching, that since it is an individual sport, I want the athlete to make all of their own decisions. That means they have complete "buy in" and are not just doing things their coach wants them to do. If I find an athlete who goes against my advice consistently, I suggest they get another coach as I am not helping.

  22. Monday and Friday are the only days I don't practice. My coach gets annoyed that I always want to try new techniques, when I don't really have to. If you find what works, stick with it and develop your skill with that before continually trying something different. What do they say, jack of all trades, master of none?

  23. I don't even have a bow, and I can see already how people can get conflicting advice when they search around for it. For example, should I shoot right-handed or left-handed? I'm right-hand and left-eye dominant, so the answer to that question depends on whom I ask.

    If you want to know what kind of recurve bow to buy, though, those Best Recurve Bow people have headed off this problem by getting their list posted under a dozen different domain names, giving one the impression that the superiority of the Samick Sage is universally acknowledged. Twelve different sites rated it #1! And it's affordable! Why would I buy anything else?

  24. one thing that annoys my coach is that I dont hold the firm after shooting until the arrow hits the target, i let the bow down as soon as i shoot and the coach keeps nagging me about it lol

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