Advice for the traditional bowhunter – #askTomSr 12-27-18
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Advice for the traditional bowhunter – #askTomSr 12-27-18

August 10, 2019

yeah does he be raw and uncut guys yeah
live from wheatridge Colorado we’ll work out the kinks tell us what
works and what doesn’t but for now it’s just nothing but good content with Tom
do we have 8 o’clock yeah lets get started let’s do it okay so I told John earlier today I’d
make sure that this question got in there so I’ll ask it first can you
comment on taking the Solid Works teachings to the tree stand, saddle,
ground blind so basically can you comment on taking SolidWorks teachings
into the field Tom: absolutely Tom: absolutely so one of the things that
first caught my attention when I was learning target archery and one of the
questions is that I asked my first coach was okay we’re learning target archery
we’re learning all this structure and all this alignment and all this good
stuff and you know this is two hours into my very first course my very first
20-hour course and I was like how does target archery…you know I kind of told him I have a traditional archery shop (we’re bow hunters) sometimes we’re shooting from funky positions sometimes we’re shooting under a bush with the boat
parallel to the ground how does this stuff I’m learning relate to this stuff
that we do as a hunter how does target archery cross over well this guy was
kind of a hard-nosed crusty old dude and I know I knew him for about all of two
hours at the time and he tells me bluntly he says “well you dummy you take
it with you” I was like “wow this guy just called me a dummy…I hardly know the
guy” “like what do you mean” he says “take it with you” and so basically what he
kind of demonstrated is if we’re setting up a structure here you know with
skeletal alignment and all the tools that we use to execute a great shot if I
need to shoot that bow under a bush take this position with me so as I… I would
basically and what I teach people all the time or what I do all the time now
is we take every position from about your bellybutton the top of your head
and standardized that now if I take that position with a fairly vertical bow or a
slightly counter boat like I shoot it and I need to take that under a bush
let’s go back a little bit I’ll literally just take that bow my
head position everything else so I’m sitting down right now
but from this position I can take this bow into any angles that I would like to
take this into so if my you know upright position in a more of a target stance is
right here and I’ve got to shoot at this camera right here here well I can take
this bow with me right into an angle that I can shoot from so everything that
I’m doing here through my back tension release and everything is built on this
structure that I’m building right here that structure just goes with me
wherever I want to go my basic sight picture stays fairly much the same I
made my visual relationships the bow stays the same my drawing stays the same
how I’m activating my shot stays the same I can lay flat on my back and get
into the same position and shoot an arrow I do that a few times on the Solid
Archery Mechanics ( videos there’s a little b-roll that we put in there of me
shooting some shots on my knees I think I shot one off my back at a target shot
some off my knees with it really leaned over stance in that so basically it’s
all the same you know if I did have to shoot an arrow under a bush why wouldn’t
I want to use the structure that’s the same as we shoot at long-range why would
I want to execute the shot with back tension with a linear tension that
increases through the shot why wouldn’t I want to do all that if I’m shooting
under a bush answers obviously I would so everything that we teach here applies
directly to to a hunting situation get on my soapbox a little bit in the old
days you know pre-1970s all bow hunters were informed from
target archery and how to be accurate it’s like any sport any sport has form
and each board has ways of using your body which are better and more efficient
and like said in the old days we took our cues or we’re informed on how to hit
an animal how to be accurate well while hunting from Target Archie I’m just
doing the same thing here tremendous benefit to me personally over
the years my harvest rate my percentages went way up so anyway that’s my long
answer to a simple question all right what you got next they’re not commenting
much no well I’ve been watching it okay throw some questions all right next one
from Adam knowing what you know now what would you tell young Tom I’m assuming
he’s talking about you not me yeah what would you tell young Tom to
help him along in your early years of bow hunting also what’s the best piece
of gear under $10 okay so the first one seems like a bit of a hunting question
in and so I’ll you know I’ll talk about the experience of becoming an
accomplished bow hunter that is not learned it’s not learn from a textbook
or the internet that is earned there are so many experiences I’ve had over the
years as a hunter that you know you just I’ve put it this way you just have to
make a bunch of mistakes you have to just inventory through mistakes in your
hunting career to get to the point where you find out how far you can push it
when you need to sit back a little bit and those are hard-won lessons with
animals in front of you you know there’s some general advice like to elk hunters
I mean we’ve got to cover a whole bunch of big country to find elk and say we
find a feeding bedding pattern in a drainage well it doesn’t take a lot of
pressure from human just humans being in that drainage lay sent down and have
helped move out of that drainage and a lot of people and this is a big mistake
I did earlier in my hunting career we kind of beat a dead horse if I get into
a drainage and man we’re into alcohol day the first day and the second day
there’s less than the third days is less sometimes we stay in there for a week
big mistake elk are nomadic in that they’ll find a
feeding bedding pattern and a drainage I mean to to drain jizz away and do their
thing and get established there unless somebody else kicks them into the
drainage you happen to be in so that’s kind of a luck thing but
– I’d say beating a dead horse if things aren’t working for well for you move it
takes a lot of boot leather to be an elk hunter other hunting tips hard to say I
wouldn’t change a thing the first year I went in elk hunting we
spent 20 days under a backpack me and my my best buddy Paul we didn’t see an
animal we didn’t even scare any we didn’t know how to find them started
reading books on you know behavior and winter and summer grounds things I
didn’t know about we didn’t have the Internet in those days and started to
look in better places the second year we we got to scare a lot of animals we just
add into the experience level can’t remembers was a third or fourth year my
buddy called my first bull elk in with a call that he bent out of a pattern from
outdoor Life magazine it was made out of a garden hose and in those days that
work and probably would work today in certain circumstances but no I I
wouldn’t really change a lot experiences I had over the years all the mistakes
every every bit of what I’ve done has been worth it and and I earn you know
people that to get out there and and get out there in the woods you’re learning
so much every day even on slow days there’s just so much to see and learn
wouldn’t change much at all best piece of hunting gear under $10 I’m glad I got
a preview and they said it took me about a minute to think of this though under
10 bucks we grabbed Tommy’s bow here under ten bucks if you want the Handy’s
piece of gear under ten bucks oh it’s be 12 bucks on sale it’s it’s
it’s 10 it’s this little dude right here know if you can see it on time what’s
that thing what’s the official name of this it’s an arrow holder it’s a quick
lock arrow holder there’s many varieties of this they’ve made really cool ones in
the old days and all this little dude does is that if you’re in a tree stand
but man I’ve used it leaning my bow up against a tree when I’m elk hunting we
just clip this little dude on here that’s well I don’t have it clipped on
very well you want to do that for me Tommy
remember glasses on sure that baby keeps your Errol in place let’s get it up
close to these other cameras to putting this bar brought it at Tommy about
slicing his nose off there and this thing is really cool so if you’re in a
tree stand and you know the wind comes up and I can’t tell you how many arrows
I’ve dropped out of trees because they didn’t have one of these on my bow and I
was cussing but that is the handiest thing because this arrow stays in place
no matter what’s going on but when you’re getting ready to take your shot
move over a little bit and we pull this arrow a little bit this baby will yep
let’s turn it this way we start drawing that bow can we see it in all cameras
this baby flips right off all right so I didn’t have a good hook on this or
anything but then we’re ready to roll all right you spook the deer away he
walks off clip this baby back on you’re ready to roll yeah so I’m glad Tommy had
his bow here with one of these on it so we could actually show somebody but
that’s one of the handiest little pieces of gear and it’s about 10 bucks that you
could have all right next query what do we got all
right Ryan sent a series of questions from the different chapters in solid
archery mechanics so I’m gonna pick a couple of these and then we’ll go to
another one and then we’ll come back to these just to work in some other shorter
questions because that’s how these are gonna be longer okay so um first one
does the finger pressure change for three under shooters I seem to get
better results with more pressure and deeper hook on the pointer finger okay
know whether your split finger three under the placement your fingers and
pressure we’re distributing between those fingers stays the same it may feel
like you’re getting like you have a more bigger element of control by going
deeper on the top finger but let’s review hook a little bit these two
fingers on the end are subject to finger pinch that’s where the string makes a
triangle around them the top one and the bottom were subject to finger pinch that
middle one when we distribute the weight correctly is carrying about half the
weight of this of the string this bottom one 10% is top one forty percent it’s
these two guys are doing all the work but this top one he’s on he’s on the end
here where there’s a bunch of finger pinch right but we got to get him off
the string cleanly so that’s why we put that top one just in front of that joint
but behind the finger pad because he needs to get off of this string he needs
to get it off this string smoothly now he’s also adding protection to the
middle guy because he’s taking pinch off the middle guy who’s doing half the work
right bottom guy he’s there for basically two reasons he’s there to keep
your hand flat so we have a consistent angle with the bowstring and he’s there
to take the the pinch off the middle guy so we don’t want much pressure on him so
if you set a hook correctly we’re gonna get we’re gonna end up with a bit bit of
a stair stepping effect with low to middle to high with this with yes get me
in here where I need to be I don’t know if we can catch a full on
this some let’s try this here maybe get down on this a little bit all right
square this up a bit but if you look at the way the finger joints align look at
that top joint it aligns behind the the middle guy and then this this one here
is gonna be just a floater so but when we get pressure on this string we’re
gonna get a stair-stepping effect can you see that at all Steve with that
camera angle but anyway when we start our draw it’s naturally gonna put a
little bit of extra pressure on that top guy by the time we get into most most
way into our draw that pressure is gonna kind of distribute itself between those
top two this bottom guy is there to take the pinch off of the middle guy who’s
doing most of work and it’s there to keep my hand flat with the string if
I’ve got a big bite on that top finger it’s really hard to keep a string angle
straight so you probably see some torque there right if I got my string aligned
we should have a pretty straight string there if I let this pinky right out I’m
naturally gonna get some torque look at the bend in the string now the bend in
the string now if you can see that whereas if I could tuck this pinky in
maintain that hook I’m gonna keep a fairly straight string what that
probably should be so that top finger being deeper probably feels great it
pride feels like you have a lot of control but we’ve done some high speed
camera shots with a deep top finger and well you’ll also notice as these fingers
can’t come out together that string doesn’t blow through your fingers all at
the same time what you’re gonna get is a blink-blink-blink
you know and you’re not gonna get a smooth release he’s subject to pension
if you got a deep hook it the string can’t get through that finger very
smoothly so even though it feels better for now trust me for a bit hang in there
Alex went through this with us shot a super-deep top finger I said Alex
got to try this got him out here at first his group change and he said this
sucks and he kind of went away from it and I kind of harped on him and then we
went through it again and I got him to try it again he’s and he finally got his
distribution well and took some pressure off this bottom finger and all sudden
his releases are breaking awesome what really convinced him is when we shot
high-speed film with me and Jerry shooting and her fingers would just come
cleanly through the string like this and we shot Alex and they were like Bink
Bink Bink I mean it was ridiculous how the string was coming through the
fingers on different timing got him up there towards just a touch in front of
the joint but behind the pad and all the sudden we film him and they’re coming
through clean his group’s cleaned up and now he’s a big proponent preaches it as
much as I do so hang in there I would really try not to shoot that the deeper
hook although you feel a little more secure a little more control but doesn’t
work as good overall all right next one yep yeah follow up Sanders in Maui yeah
you’ll be talking to Ryan Sanpei and I don’t know what Island Nash is on or
some other folks but we’re really talking about a year from April going
out there that would be awesome yeah that would be big fun love – cool all
right well drew asked on Instagram and we have
another question from a guy another question from Instagram about kids so
I’m gonna throw this one in there okay drew asks how do you keep the fire he’s
got two young boys yeah how do you keep the fire in your young kids and then
mark also asks I’m getting my three and four year old kids their first recurve
bow for Christmas what’s your best instruction for little kids so I figured
you could tackle those both at the same time okay I’m gonna let you chip on chip
in also Tommy because you’ve just been through this right and you bit too Steve
so my philosophy with little kids is keep it simple and keep it fun keep it
short their attention spans are narrow don’t let them it’s kind of like
training a bird dog you know like gotta get up pull the retriever away before
that they’re kind of ready to quit so I keep my sessions fairly short
and also keep the instruction fairly simple especially for that those real
young was three and four kids are ready at different ages I noticed my oldest
grandson Matt three and a half this will do had a back quiver he could load his
own arrows stand around the line with his and shoes those his younger brothers
gonna be a little older different personalities different nature of the
kids get them to the side of the cheek put your hands on the kid don’t do as
much verbal instruction is literally physically changing them to where you
want them to be those are some general tips lots of pop cans and balloons
anything else you’d add to that Tommy with the experience with your kids no
because my kids were pretty at first especially my older was pretty naturally
on fire before I hope to keep that fire I’ve taken I’m hunting a couple times
hoping that we could do some actual hunting but he wasn’t he couldn’t sit
for very long and he couldn’t take the cold weather so this year we were turkey
hunting it was it was really cold I’ve carried three or three blankets into the
blind that carried a little heater made sure that they were comfortable nice and
you know for three hours they sat there and did great and then we had four Tom’s
just thunder in gobbling ten yards from the blind so it paid off I’m glad that
we had that experience but just keeping them comfortable I’m Mike oldest is 8 so
I’m by no means an expert but I hope do you remember anything from our
experience that that I did that helped our analyze that at all or think about
how we see stuff that you did that I didn’t know about mm-hmm but Danny and I
now we always had the fire from day one till now you know so if you did
something it was probably unbeknownst to us yeah
there were some things that you know when I did stuff with these boys I want
to be my hunt partners man and so I was really conscious of them having a good
time if we went fishing they want to throw
rocks in the lake have at it have fun I take them a little rabbit excursions we
kept them short I made really sure they didn’t get too
cold too hot too tired and usually yanked him out before they
to quit and I wanted to keep that fire alive but I just can’t emphasizes keep
it fun for the kid and keep it short and keep the fire alive that’s my main
advice and keep it simple we just need to get them to the cheek and have some
fun what kid doesn’t like a watched arrow fly it’s pretty easy what’s happen
don’t bang the table oh okay got you all right let’s go back to a
technical question okay I’m struggling with a high wrist I’m currently using a
solid hook but when I add the high wrist it seems to add tension in my forearm
and when I load it almost loads right into my holding position instead of
coming to anchor then transfer to load as of now my hook is solid but my wrist
is relaxed okay I understand what you’re saying about holding the bucket but if I
was to do a bent over row with the bucket and squeeze my back it’s more
comfortable for me to use a relaxed or neutral wrist because I’m struggling
with the high wrist it’s more comfortable yeah with the relaxed wrist
gotcha a couple things might be happening number one might be
emphasizing it too much I mean that high wrist is not a big angle it’s not a
being else a very natural angle your thing that will cause great discomfort
is if you draw the bow from where the arrow is pointing at the bull’s eye and
straight back you cannot help but bend the wrist as it comes back it’s got to
be drawn from position a little bit out from your body straight into this area
of your anchor point if you’re shooting if you’ve got a fairly flat wrist it’s
going to be pretty good position if that wrist has been outward remember that
that inward bending wrist pushes the shoulder out you know that angle from
the wrist the shoulder is this way whereas the angle changes we’ll put this
on the side so if we have an outward bending wrist we’re going to get much
deeper into our back so it’s it’s al it’s a bit of an improvement from a
straight wrist to a angled wrist to get into your back deeper so if you’re
feeling strained I mean anytime you’re feeling pain strain a lot of discomfort
in your shot something’s wrong and since we shoot a lot of arrows we’re gonna
lead to a repetitive motion injury sooner or later so if you’re doing
anything with an archery shot that’s causing pain and discomfort stop
what most people find is that the high-risk improves their holding
position so much they see that an immediate benefit if you’ve got great
comfort and in really good alignment with a fairly straight wrist and relaxed
wrist I’m not opposed to you know you’re not forcing it into a high wrist but
like I said it could be just because he’s drawing the boat too far in a
straight line this way from instead of drawing the bow from a bit outside to
end if you get this wrist inside on a straight line with the arrow pointing at
the bull’s eye you can’t maintain that wrist and that would cause a heck of a
lot of strain the only way it can be maintained is to keep it out away from
you and then get it in here you know so I don’t know how much more I can go on
on that yeah I think that sounds good okay all right we have a lot of
questions coming in from Facebook and Instagram okay we don’t get to them we
will package those yeah we’ll save question we get absolutely I’m working
down what I get here’s one from Instagram I’m gonna read this one
because I get so many emails about the same the same kind of question okay
every day dozens of emails Ryan says I want to switch to the day six arrow but
I’m unsure which spine to buy and currently using four hundred spine
access with two hundred and seventy-five grains up front should I just go with
four hundred s again yeah because the axis in the day six if I’m not mistaken
her same diameter yeah and her I read that so you could speak on it on
diameter right because that’s really the only thing we have to go on it’s it’s
not like if we don’t know how that arrows shooting or what it’s doing the
only thing that we have to go on with this question is diameter right if
they’re the same spine so you holding that constant right and you’re holding
point weight constant right the only other factor than length comes and
length constant then the only other factor would be diameter correct speak
on that for a minute so diameter bigger diameter just gonna
push the arrow point out away from your riser so basically we only have a narrow
diameter arrow it’s it’s in towards a string more and so you chances are gonna
have to use a bit stiffer of an arrow when we go narrower diameter or a little
weaker arrow with the bigger diameter weaker spine weaker deflections so you
should be darn similar that should be darn similar
now I don’t know how they’re measured if it’s true 400 on on the on the dead nuts
deflection would make a difference which would make a difference one might be a
386 and ones a 415 and they’re and they’re calling it a 400 that could make
a difference so yeah I’d bear chef’s tune but it should be should be in range
to where you could buy the same arrow in the bear shaft in it make sure right so
you’re saying I’m shooting a 5/16 carbon I’m switching to a skinny shaft like a
17 sixty fourths right I need to go to it might have to bump up a spine group
might have to do I certainly I found that to be true most of the time most
the time it really it’s weird I don’t know what what the physics involved are
but you know we always usually speak in generalities because damn if you don’t
find the exception sometimes and that we can’t even just explain the dynamics of
why that exception happened but could be in a way the guy shoots the bow or the
torque he’s gotten the bow some there’s some other factors that can play in so
in general I think you’re gonna be good so and off that I’ll read another
question from Instagram Instagram here when setting up a new bow and arrow
combination what is your tuning process also do you
bear shaft paper tune or something else that’s another super super common
question every day we get phone phone calls and emails about that okay same
thing we get folks in here and we’re setting up an arrow for them if they’ve
got a consistent shot that we’re going to bear shaft in if they’re setting up a
hunting arrow we’re going to bear shaft in a lot of brand new shooters there’s
things gonna be changing in their form all the time we’re gonna visually look
at several you know we’re gonna estimate the target arrow that should work for
them we’re gonna get a full length one and we’re gonna shoot them and we’re
gonna watch them they haven’t built any consistent their consistency in their
forms so we’re really not going to spend the time anybody that’s shooting a an
arrow that to go hunting with and it’s got some consistent form we’re going to
bear chef tune we want you know we there’s a higher level of responsibility
that we’re gonna go after and that usually leads to an archery lesson if
they’re squeezing the boat too tight or got problems here it usually leads in an
archery lesson anyway so we can build some consistency and we because the bear
shaft tuning will expose other problems anyway that’s that does that answer that
I think so yeah all right we got three noes questions okay here they come
our Doyle wants to know why does the stream occasionally hit my nose upon
release I’m just gonna read them all yep Richard Stevens wants to know when
anchoring with the tip of my nose touching the back of the fletching and
how does the tip of my nose get hit by the string when I release the arrow same
question okay and then tie gram one two seven
she’s asking does that clumb beak help with your anchor point I think she’s
high I think she is my nephew whacked that kid next time I see him but that’s
okay okay most most the time you know there’s first of all let’s talk about a
common problem that people do especially when trying to trigger a shot there’s a
lot of times you know when we’re talking back tension we’re talking about
scapular position against the spine it sets the depth of your anchor and we’re
just increasing tension against that wall there there’s no more movement to
be had we’re increasing tension against that wall and when the shot breaks that
thing moves through to its finish position if a guy does what is hugely
common I’ve made the mistake myself adds a little shoulder pull to the equation
you’re gonna pull that string around the face a little more and you’re gonna get
a string or no slap its way it is there’s some bear both shooters use a
vertical bow and a string blur and they can’t keep the nose out of the way with
that setup so they tape their nose it’s really easy for most of us with a side
of the face anchor to put a little can’t in the boat tip the head a little bit
with the bow and get that string just I mean 1/16 maybe away from your nose so
there’s some simple cures most of time guys it’s a shoulder pull it’s a pull
that from anchor position you add tension and all of a sudden you’re
dragging back a little bit you’ve added a little bit of rear delt to it you
added a little shoulder pull instead of getting being against the wall with back
tension that anchor no matter how much attention you add it’s not going
anywhere when that shot breaks it breaks right from that position BAM and then
this thing slides through the finish so I’ll bet you it’s a shoulder pull it’s
most common reason for face and nose scrapes so it’s a form
issue and we could spend another 20 minutes on that but we’re not but back
tension is Direction tension that way not in the direction your elbow is
pointing okay all right next one as an instinctive
shooter is it okay to look at the target the entire time I know you mentioned
aiming after transfer to hold so could I look at the spot continuously yes then
focus refine after hold then expand yes yes I think it’s highly advisable right
at set position before you raise the bow up to be looking at the focal point
focal point being the bull’s our spot you want to hit
we need be looking at that the whole time so at this position like set
position or wait and see what’s popular or on the target line I’m looking at the
bull’s eye but I’m not aiming I get up here to set up I’m looking at the target
but I’m not aiming I get to draw it a load to anchor to transfer I’m looking
at our target but I’m not aiming there’s just a point in time that you’re gonna
confirm your aim you’re gonna confirm your sight picture you affirm your gap
whatever you’re looking at is an instinctive aimer there’s a time where I
go there or I know it’s on there it’s time to get into expansion to release
and follow-through I’ve got one question from Facebook drew where asked I missed
the beginning will this be posted afterwards yes we are going to post this
if you’ve missed any of this broadcast we’ll be posting it on YouTube within
the next few days so stay tuned of that okay but anyway yes we I’m gonna go back
to that because it’s really important when we aim at when we’re in the
transfer a hold and supposed to aim we’re just confirming the aim because
you got to let it go you got to let the aim go to the subconscious the aim and
the release there have to be subconscious that’s a pretty deep
subject but yes we’re just confirming a we’re letting aim go we’re just looking
at it Joel says watch it to keep it I love his words and then we’re
cognitively moving into tension in the right direction to the follow-through
position right okay the next one is from Mountain element he
has two questions but the second part of his question is gonna lead into another
one so I’m just gonna ask you the first part right okay is there a diagnosis of
shooting structure position for shooting high left or right and low or left or
right okay what Experion and I know what he’s asking but go ahead and explain
what the most common causes are for some of those is you have left right misses
okay so I’m gonna talk about inconsistent misses first you know so if
I so let’s talk about reading the target okay if I have a right side miss I can
replay that shot and I’m telling you every single time I lost tension before
release if I got a little cognitive to my release and I think about releasing
instead of thinking about the finished position I’m going to lose a bit of
tension what happens when I lose a little bit of tension here you’re gonna
lose a little alignment here I’m telling you miss this far at 20 yards to the
right is this much collapse on the front arm that happens when we miss on the
back side the front side comes out of a little alignment it caves in once you go
for right-handed for a right-handed shooter it’s always gonna go to the
right vice versa to the left so if I lose a little tension here I’m gonna
lose a little alignment here I’m exaggerating by 50 times that because a
loss in tension for a back tension shooter looks like this you know if I
did it in slow motion you’d see you’d be in here aiming and you’d see this little
dip in your elbow leap like this and then it would follow through
that’s lost intention that’s cognitive release that’s not keeping tension to
write direct in the finish position so anytime that elbow dips a little bit and
it’s really hard if you’re not used to watching for it and you pick it up on
your camera play it back slow you see a little cave
in here there’s a little Caden in the front sight it’s gonna be the right side
missed right misses are most most commonly because of a collapse or loss
in tension which lost in tension is the biggest reason we all miss from
beginners to Olympians right so that’s usually lost left misses you know I
heard you know some people they always talk about squeezing the shoulder blade
together if you’re squeezing the shoulder blades together it’s gonna pull
your left arm it’s gonna pull your left arm away that left arm going away by the
way is a natural result of expansion after their arrows off the bow but if
that is happening at all because you’re increasing tension in the wrong way
you’re gonna yank it off to the left it could be bow torque it could be a
hand squeeze that’s linked to the bow going up a little pressure pardon me
shaking the table again okay so a left miss could be a pluck where your hand
flies away you know your shoulder pulling or whatever and instead of its
linear release the hand flies away sometimes they get off the string and
they go down the middle but sometimes you drag that knockout to the right a
little bit cause the left side miss if I get a little tension in my hand this is
a diagnosis for me personally I’ve learned this through experience if I
start getting a little squeeze in there with the release a little link break
I lift that shot up to the left that’s a high left miss for me I know where it
comes from sometimes if I haven’t set my shoulder down and I get a little drift
here that’s gonna cause a high high high miss now those are intermittent misses
you know if I’ve got a consistent left miss I pretty not much know I’m not
getting my head tipped so I get alignment of my eye over the arrow
that’s a consistent left miss and so it’s usually a head position you’re like
your rear sight alignment that’s that’s consistent left miss it were consistent
right miss it’s usually an alignment issue with with eye to arrow situations
go on their stuff to look for for that but I’m talking about intermittent
misses so yes we read the target we so we want to learn our shot well enough
to know if I miss here it’s usually this you replay the shot in your mind yep
that’s what I’m doing you’ve identified the problem now what’s
the correction to that if I’ve got lost in tension my correction is I’ve got to
keep tension focused at the finished position through the whole shot
there’s my correction I focus on the correction forget about the mistake
focus on the correction hard to go deeper into this kind of stuff from
there but is that kind of answer the question address up down misses because
they’re so common for beginning archers yeah so you know let me tell you
something about the the subconscious and the human mind subconscious you know
always multiplies power it involves it grabs all the muscle groups it can to do
any task at hand if we’re lifting something with our arms we generally add
the shoulder squeeze the upper trapezius we generally enhance it like this if
we’re pulling on something we generate lean back to help the pole right and so
especially for new archers and if we’re really focusing on maybe a back tension
release man will enhance it a little bit we’ll pull those shots right up out of
there and a lot of times at first when we’re we’re learning to make a
subconscious release by driving through in a quick motion to get these to
release without thinking about them we’ll add a little head and torso lift
sometimes is the link brace it’s your body’s reaction or the bow going off and
it’s timed in such a way when we know and the bows going off generally there’s
a little tightening somewhere in our body we call it link bracing Joel talks
about it a ton and how to cure that how to get away from it in the shot I cook
you videos but yeah there’s high low misses or a lot of that lows are usually
a collapse – sometimes I’ll collapse and just get a little miss but usually my
collapses or my loss intentions are right and right to the end low right
especially because we’re not shooting with power so it’s low and it’s a
collapse so it’s right right and low as all this always or a collapse all right
cool so the second part of this question I’m gonna read and then I’m gonna go
into Joe Harz question as well okay and they’re both loaded questions so we’ll
set the do the best you can with what we got to
wear he also wants to know when choosing a bow how do you really know it’s a fit
for the shooter so we can address that but Johar wants to know for a beginner
just getting into trad coming from compounds it’s apparent that arrow
selection and tuning have a much narrower window of compatibility
compared to compounds where you can just go stiffer and as long as your bow is
tuned you’re fine so how does a beginner differentiate between form issues tuning
issues and arrow flight or spine issues now I should have read those closer
they’re not related at all no they aren’t and you’re right beginning Archer
is not going to know what this form issues arrow issues you know basically
they’re not let’s go that first question how you picked the right bow how do you
know if it’s a fit for the shooter right okay so let’s just talk about bow weight
biggest issue there is opportunity when you a beginner we want a bow that’s too
light not too heavy if you’re learning a brand new shot wound up we want to both
it’s going to feel like more like a toy but in any case a bow that’s right for
you is one that is comfortable to draw where we’re not straining it’s no fun to
be straining against the weight of a bow where you can put your body into correct
positions you can fully get your shoulder girdle back you can get to the
load get to that full position you can get into anchor you can transfer all you
can make all these movements exactly correctly slowly so you can train them
you can cognitively run them correctly can’t do that the bows too heavy so
we’re in the learning phase especially in the learning phase where everything’s
got to be cognate and slow and directed we’ve got to have a lighter bow all
right and then the disqualifier even as a hunting bow is can we get into all of
our positions comfortably can we execute all the movements come comfortably if
you’re over bowed you physically can’t do those things and the difference in
good form might be the difference between being here and here that’s small
difference to the people who don’t know about shooting yet so you know those
things are big deals when you’re learning because we’re
remember we’re imprinting anything you do as a as an imprint emotive program
your brain we’re imprinting a whole neural pathway to the movements to the
muscles that contract and expand so it’s really important that we do those shots
correctly and if we’re over boat we can’t even get close to the positions to
make those get into those positions to make those movements correctly so
whatever that heaviest boat where you can comfortably get into proper shooting
positions and comfortably make the movements and accurately make the
movements is the boat for you if you go two pounds over that you won’t be able
to make those accurately and you’re making yourself worse every shot was the
other part of that so so we can sum that up saying they you know it’s a good fit
for you if you could execute proper form form yes and for all the boat
comfortably yes okay yeah I think yet and do you want to go into how a
beginner differentiates between form tuning and Aero flight issues too much
too much to learn there you know if you don’t have a shot that’s consistent you
can’t dial an air flight with your time experience yeah just consistency and
shot execution will tell you about arrow tuning issues so as you get more
consistent you’re shooting you’ll start seeing consistent result then we
continue in their hearts in their right down yes the culprit absolutely if if
you don’t have consistently for you know if it’s bad form if it’s consistent you
can get fairly good but we can’t get consistent arrow flight with with
inconsistent ways in which we actually cue shot or deeper shots or weaker shots
or there’s too much to go into it and don’t worry too much about at that phase
you need to learn to shoot the bow first it’s probably the main thing to be
concerned about all right here’s a non non shooting form question okay is Danny
the luckiest bow hunter in the Colombo family yeah I got a yes from the gallery
I would say no yes little comfort issue I would say and you you’d be hard to
deny he’s the hardest-working bow hunter in the family he puts in the time he he
works on all aspects of the game he does the most scouting he’s in the woods more
but he’s not had kids like you have he’s also luckiest he’s pretty freakin lucky
sometimes with men he pretty much earning earns his luck
dude he is a hard-working soma he would never deny that he’s the most generous
in the klom family he’ll always say I’ll choose the stand last he always left
everyone else choose first and the dear always walked by him anyway well that’s
cool things are true that could be some gamesmanship to you know stand over on
the south side is really freaking good but you can have that one you learn that
from his cousin Chan yeah with accuracy from full control and solid practice
being paramount for hunting what would you say about draw weight hunting for
elk hunting if someone was deadly accurate with their setup what would you
say should be their minimum draw weight for elk okay lots of opinions on that
one I would basically go to the not the minimum I would go to the highest weight
you can shoot with that accuracy and precision period what if it’s only 35
pounds uh then we’re gonna have to a little work in the strength yeah um so
you do have a minimum I kind of do higher than 35 yes with a traditional
bow it depends on your drawing – yeah if a guy’s shooting a 35 pound bow with a
3,200 draw it’s pretty fast arrow into drawing because we’re about six ten
pounds of Bowie we can prove it on a chronograph all things up all other
things being equal I guess you know this is gonna be one of those things where
people have different opinions like bellybuttons I’m gonna go with low 40s
is a raw minimum gallery shaking his head yes Tommy from the feedback I’ve
got on customers I only know of one customer in all these years that’s
killed an elk with the bow around 35 pounds it was a young kid and he shot a
calf and it was a close shot okay but it was an elk yeah
I’m gonna go I’m gonna go to low 40s but now we got arrow and brought head
considerations we better have some weight better have some weight for we
better have a cut on contact broad head I mean which is probably more important
yeah with perfect arrow flight yeah there’s some other considerations we met
made there and and before our day there was a lot of people kill them a lot of
elk with 40 to 45 pound bows you going to remember a 35 pound bow if that arrow
happens hit right between the ribs it’s gonna go through both lungs if you if
that 35 pound bow happens to Center punch of ribbon me rib rebounds a little
bit might get one long could be tough so there’s some luck involved on that too I
will say this is a bow hunter most arrows deflect off or go between the
ribs right and that enhances penetration I saw it but wait that’s a hard question
to answer super tough question actors than just bowie look at Wayne’s ever
it’s shot his moose shot right through a moose a few years ago 76 years old she’s
now 45 ish pound bow shot through both sides of a moose was it even 45 I don’t
know I don’t remember the exact number yes it’s fairly light there’s more
factors than more factors yeah alright here comes a couple quick most way you
can shoot well whatever the heck that is yeah here’s a couple clicker questions
okay these are long so I’m gonna we’ll work through them all right give me
short answers okay I know you mentioned that only unicorns can shoot without a
clicker I guess my question is if you’re in the expansion phase and your shot
just breaks can that be a surprise release I feel that when I use a
compound trigger I’m definitely commanding the shot but with a stick bow
and fingers when I’m expanding correctly it seems to just go sometimes it’s hard
to get the clicker at the perfect length and if it’s not just right it becomes a
distraction yep he’s right about all those things I think he’s right about
all those things I find it in my shooting as long as I’m into tension
there’s a moment where your brain says he is right freaking perfect as an
instinctive aimer where as long as I’m in to the expansion movement or in to in
subtly increasing tension I usually make great shots without link braces and I
think if that’s not a command yeah it can be
pretty much act like a surprise where you don’t have a lot of link bracing I
don’t know what Joe has say that maybe completely disagrees but for me I’m
telling you that’s my best most accurate shots which tells me I don’t have a lot
of league racing going on all right here is Jeff wrote Rafi let me
add one thing to that go ahead if I’m not into that controlled movement where
I’ve confirmed my aim said yep right there and don’t move into tension all
kinds of bad things happen we’re talking about this guy releasing an arrow in the
expansion phase in the phase where subtly increasing tension to a clean
break and that break usually is when your mind confirms yes what happens
though is we tend to shortcut that or the subconscious shortcuts that from
getting into tension to that clean break to almost just starting attention to the
clean break and we’re gonna get into the tension but the break happens and all
kinds of bad stuff happens but yes if you’re clearly into a second or two of
increasing subtle precision tension to break it can work really exceptionally
well alright so here’s another question I’m gonna go through the background that
he gives for this question because this is also another very common thing that
customers ask about all the time very common background story so Jeff wrote
Rafi says I would like to know the process behind clickers I’ve been
shooting traditional for about four years now
two years ago two months before his season he was shooting the best he’d
ever shot huge amounts of confidence in my shot process I was fortunate enough
to attend a class put on by Joel Turner he insisted that I put a clicker on and
subsequently both my accuracy and consistency in my shot went to garbage I
found that it increased all kinds of anxiety and made my focus change from
executing my shot to focusing on the clicker only that’s a the most common
clicker story that we hear would you have any look to read the rest of it I
got the answer right now he said it himself oh yes he said this problem
right looking just says okay he didn’t pick this up enjoy summer
because I trust me Joel went over this and it’s easy to miss in one cylinder in
Joel seminar you were learning so much is like drinking from a firehose but
this is this is easy but this has to be highlighted again it’s the most common
thing folks do when they shoot with the clicker doesn’t it oh yeah I mean but he
set himself let me find it here okay all kinds of eggs and and made my focus
change from executing my shot to focusing on the clicker there’s the
problem you quit focusing on executing your shot
and started focusing on the clicker that is so common I’ve done it myself I’m not
criticizing you get over it you have to enjoy what Joel says I use a lot of what
Joel says because it’s really good way to put this you have to make a darn
decision to focus on what at the end of your shot
in the expansion phase you have to focus on the same things you were doing when
you’re shooting great the movement you have to focus on settl increasing
tension to that breaking to the finish position if your mind goes to that
clicker you can react to the clicker you’re thinking you how can you
conscious mind can focus on one thing at a time just one if you’re focusing on
that clicker probably you’re not making a real consistent movement to get the
clicker to click right because you’re thinking you’re listening for it instead
of focused on what you should be which is correct
archery form which is increasing tension in the right direction aimed at the
finished position and simply that simply looking at their target letting
subconscious handle the aim right and driving tension in the right direction
the subtle increasing manner till the click clicks or doesn’t click if it
doesn’t click you don’t get to shoot if it clicks we let go now here’s what he’s
missing on this thing so he says that he finds it extremely hard to concentrate
on this holding a mean position and coinciding that with the clicker going
on right that’s the same thing now if he’s focused on is holding if the aiming
if he’s focused on aim is shots gonna go to hell so right the focus place
focuses on at the end of the shop you’ve confirmed your aim you’ve let it go to
the subconscious you’re focusing on tension in the right direction or in
most cases it’s kind of like a transfer of whole movement this tension here or
we have movement I wouldn’t call it true expansion for anybody but elite-level
because true expansion is in a visible movement we have a little let’s have a
little bit visible movement intention of that driving arm behind you leave some
movement in there liesl move it in there to activate your clicker and focus on
that movement you’re just watching your aim name has to be let go we’re focused
on the movement the click happens the release happens so intention of clicker
is to be a non anticipatory release trigger we can’t anticipate it if we’re
trying to build if we’re starting to time it listen for it the whole shot
goes to hell so if we’re completely focused on the
correct movement to the finished position that’s the way it runs so as
Joel says here’s the use of some of his terminology he had you’ve got to make a
decision that that you have to use your willpower you have to direct your mind
to a one-lane Road man you’re going down one lane and that lane is tension in the
right direction that’s it if you let you know make a strong up decision you let
the thought of that clicker come into your mind you’re gonna lose your shot
because first of all you the movement stops you’re thinking about is this
thing gonna click cuz they’re not gonna click it should be clicking by now and
maybe you’ll try to force a click and everything goes to hell
we’re got a precision controlled cognitive movement that we just continue
to focus on we’re a drive it with words use Joel stuff go go go go go and if
this thing goes too long it’s time to let it down if this thing is timing out
the intensity of that movement gets you click to go but click between 2 and 3
seconds from when you’ve confirmed your aim your money you’ve got to let you’ve
got to stay on that clicker long enough with a focus on tension in the right
direction until the release the subconscious release happens as a as its
gets linked to the click in other words there’s two things in your shot have to
be sub constant talk fast the aim has to be subconscious and the
release have to because subconscious and man this is a deep subject and that’s
why I’ve got a five-hour video that dives deep into all this stuff there’s
too much to go into here but if your aim doesn’t turn subconscious enter this
release doesn’t get conscious and linked to the touch or the click then we’re
using it incorrectly there’s different ways use a clicker some people use as a
draw check click okay I’m here now they increase tension to the
finished position they can develop a good shot that way but if it’s used
correctly and you’ve shot it 20 to 50 times usually it takes for the
subconscious released I’ll just link to the click that you’re not waiting for
all right when that truly gets linked to a click and you’re just focused on
tension the right direction what happens is that click happens the release
happens subconsciously and now there’s no reaction to the bow going up coming
from your subconscious the shot breaks clean it goes on a trajectory path
you’ve already set without influence and it’s your perfect shot that’s what
Olympic Olympians do all time with their clickers that’s why they shoot every
shot practice every shot competition with a clicker you know the arrows going
off at the same draw length every time so yes if you’re thinking incorrectly
and if you’re focusing on the clicker ain’t gonna work Matt dear Curt says if
you’ve not touched on it yet please touch on the transfer to hold to
expansion and where I should be feeling the building of the tension thanks again
okay repeat that question just make sure they all heard it if you had you know
okay so he’s asking about transfer to hold and the feeling of tension you want
so worried should feel the tension where I should be feeling the building of
tension where he should be feeling the building attendance so
so once we draw to load we anchor the last movement is a small movement called
transfer go hole we’re going to get the last bit of engagement of the scapula
into the spine last to the back engagement through transfer the hole and
I think you can see that movement it’s straight along the lines straight behind
me transfer will hold okay that gives me my that gets all the powder and then
gives me full of back engagement from that point if it’s true back tension
that you’re stuck there man it’s like they’ll call that the wall so
any tension you build is just like pushing on a wall you can build tension
your thighs as you’re pushing against the wall but there’s no movement that’s
the tension you should be feeling that’s a tension you should be building that’s
the tension should be building to the time where that release the
follow-through position comes before anybody but an elite Archer we usually
like to put the clicker or the feather touch inside that last transfer to hold
movement expansion that the elite levels are invisible movement that’s why in
Olympic archery he’s only got a new a meter or two millimeters of movement to
get to his clicker and that’s where he’s got full shoulder alignment all the
powders an event for drawing from shoulder shoulder hand alignment and
transfer the hold happens he’s got the schedule we’re dug into the back we’re
all the powders in the gun now he needs a millimeter of – a movement that’s a
very very precise movement so think of the 70 meter 77-yard seven six point
seven yards or whatever it is it needs that kind of precision to be accurate
that far so it’s invisible movement that invisible movement
and just this as far as it happens from its literal expansion muscles are
getting longer a chest that chest is opening up
there’s also happen happening something there something is happening internally
where that schedule is making a final movement it’ll shift this whole
structure board a bit so that both happen moving through the clicker as
opposed to air balloon to the clicker so those are invisible that’s the elite
level shooting that’s true expansion we’re seeing none of us can get a limb
mounted clicker to that accuracy when you’re at holding position so I like to
have that thing where you go load anchor transfer but that transfer is not a hard
lumini maybe like transfer to get a soft movement set the direction confirm your
aim just look at their aim and then continue that basically the transfer to
hold movement it’s a small movement to activate your clicker your feather touch
so we didn’t you know there’s not a lot of chances to talk about this elsewhere
but basically that movement you need to have some movement to activate that
clicker so the transfer the whole movement which is about that much is
where we want to put that clicker in the middle of so it starts subtle pressure
I’ll set the direction of your movement confirm your aim here we go and just
start driving intention in the backyard behind you and just keep focused on that
movement until you get the click and the release happens and to follow-through
position so since you’re talking about expansion I’m gonna throw this in Ryan
asks during the expansion phase when my shoulder blades squeeze and touch my bow
arm moves slightly towards the target is that a bad thing
yes Oh move towards the target straight towards the target
it just says my bow arm moves slightly towards the target sorry is that manly
that’s that that last movement that shifts the structure shoulder shoulder
hand forward if it’s going straight at the target it’s not a bad thing that’s
kind of what true expansion actually does but it’s usually very invisible so
I think of he’s pushing his is if this hand shifts their target he’s
probably cloning that last little bit he’s probably getting that last little
bit of shoulder alignment which is a way that Joel teaches to get to that clicker
when you’re a little weak and tired and calls a full body movement
I don’t prescribe that but when you’re weak and you need to get do that clicker
sometimes a little more coil and a precision manner can get you to do the
clicker make a good shot I bet sure that’s what he’s feeling but you should
already be coil to the max shoulder shoulder hand alignment the best most
precision shot and then activate to an isolate little to the right side or the
drawing side if your lefty it’s the left side so that front shoulder blade is
very set should be squeezing together that’s gonna pull your shot away from
shoulder plates set up that low shoulder right off the get-go right at setup
position but we hear it’s an isolated movement that right sights the one
you’re working tension against release so it’s a guy who doesn’t use a clicker
right now my tension is all maxed out I’m just building tension against that
wall to the release and follow-through but I never think release I’m just
thinking of the follow-through position like and finish right so attention any
movement is invisible just like true expansion if I’ve got a clicker on then
I’m gonna leave a little movement here to get to my clicker all right and then
I’m gonna have a very control precisely the quick
okay all right let’s go with the non form question just to switch things up a
little bit this is a boat question I shoot a 64 inch longbow 55 at 28 cut
forward of Center and I’m getting we’re on the edge of the shelf is it the cause
is it is it because sorry just reading how it’s written is it because my grip
or the way I release or is it my choice of arrow she’s getting shelfware now I
wonder if he’s talking about shelfware sight I’m sure he’s talking about this
part right here which would probably be the most common shelf where right right
it says on the edge of the shelf so it’s probably this edge so I wonder if we’ve
got non position or spine maybe spine yeah that arrows basically doesn’t have
much contact with the side plate he asked if it’s because of his grip or the
way he releases could that be a constant yeah if you’re torquing the bow with
grip that could definitely cause some air abrasion issues remember when you
let go of the arrow that second Bend is coming around the Shelf basically so
you’re not gonna have a lot of site plate wax because there the arrow is
kind of thinning around it these have been around just enough to go
straight this bends around too much it’s a weak arrow shoots off to the right for
right handed shooter now stiff arrow will cause a lot of sight plate abrasion
maybe even up into here it’s a sip arrow will bang off your riser this one a lot
of times we’ll hear a clack but a property knows that just kind of just
float around the riser exit straight alright so if you’ve got we’re on on the
rest itself I mean I’ve had knock issues where it’s slamming the arrow down
against into the shelf outside edge tough call we shouldn’t get much wear on
there if we’ve got to knock set correctly because it’s just gonna come
straight around we’re not maybe we’ve got like an oxide issue that’s getting
down on the bed so if it’s got a normal spine but downward pressure on that
error little process of elimination is in in order you have to determine what’s
going on there for yeah because they can’t nail it down
with yeah it could be multiple factors yeah so so test them all see what helps
yeah I try to knock adjustment first okay here’s another question from Tai
Cup injure how does your grip change with a longbow versus a recurve it does
not the grip is always on the thumb pad it’s always saddled up against that
crack right there now a longbow grip it’s gonna be a low grip so that hand is
gonna be all the way back here that grip is gonna be right along the lifeline
we’re set that front finger on the bow these these fingers under so my grip is
gonna might look like something like that with a recurve and I’ll get a
longbow up that’s okay and the grip is gonna look like this with a longbow it’s
the same grip it’s the same pressure it’s the same pressure on the thumb pad
right there with a relaxed wrist now high risk is gonna that pressure is
going to change a little bit because your hands going to be more at this
angle instead of flat like this but where the pressure point is and how you
orient your hand or the same good got it got it all right here’s
flatlander in a tall world asks how do you combat target panic or in general
get your composure when it’s time to let one fly sometimes my heart is about to
burst out of my chest and I have a hard time getting back in the game okay long
subjects you need Joel shot a cute program that’s a long subject I’ll tell
you some things that generally lead into it right away that don’t really go deep
in if you that new Archer if he attaches the release the arrow to the fact that
he’s aim he’s already on his way to turn a penny
subconscious will start doing it for you separation has got to be made from the
fact that you’re aimed into tension in the right direction to the
follow-through position so anytime you’re attaching a release immediately
to effect your aim that’s gonna get more efficient your subconscious gonna make
it quicker and quicker and quicker pretty soon it’s gonna be sort of anchor
aim and your release happens pre students will be anchor and aim and the
release happens pretty soon an anchor and you release your aim looks good it
goes pretty soon you’re almost at anchor in your mind says yep it’s gone and you
know that’s what the most common things not separating the activation of shot
from the aim that’s all I’m gonna touch on target panicking right now as far as
getting your stuff under control with an ambulance I was gonna say yeah that’s
fine and dandy on on the target range how about when the animals standing in
front of you does that relate well the confidence from knowing how to activate
great shots gonna reduce me out of mental tension right there yeah a great
whole envision the mechanics of a great home to reduce a lot of physical tension
which is gonna relieve mental tension but most of all we’ve got to get
cognitive again because we get a little bit subconscious when all that stuff
happens so Joel prescribes combat breathing go through it in these
programs he’s a in for hold for out for hold for in for four
seconds I wanna chime in on this I know I’ve heard you say the same thing but I
remember the first shot that I took at an animal where I felt like I was in
control and it was a result of getting control on the range for I remember the
shot it was at a turkey I remember the blind I was sitting in
vice and the actual shot nice and I’ve heard you say similar stuff I’ve heard
Joel say similar stuff that was absolutely true for me
flatlander asks in general how do you get your composure when it’s time to let
one fly I really do think knowing that you are in control of your shot gives
you a heck of a lot of confidence in the woods would you agree with that
absolutely knowing exactly how you’re going to shoot your shot beforehand it’s
all talked about blue praying your shot knowing exactly I got to do this this
this and this and maybe it’s two things and for you maybe it’s six things for
the other guy but if I know I have to hit these middle mental benchmarks you
know I got I gotta get here and here I’m I have a clip to follow and I focus on
that forgive focusing on if I’m gonna get the Enel if I’m not gonna get there
if I just focus on my shot it’s the results are gonna be way better if I
focus on this process if I do some breathing and get my heart rate down
like just a little bit I’m gonna be in more control just the act of breathing
is gonna get you thinking you gotta be cognitive when you’re cognition
oh yeah I got to run this shot correctly I got it again so you set up your shot
you start hitting your steps have a process have a way to concentrate you
know there’s much more in Joel’s program on how to make this done under pressure
these are some highlights you know some things that we do
as hunters that get our back together and do our business correctly and here’s
another thing nothing replaces have been in that experience numbers of times so
I’m always the most wigged out the first animal – I sure shoot at that during a
year because it’s been a it’s been a spell you know and I get you know I
after the first one or two that I kind of screw up I’m then I get more
determined to get the shot done correctly and they go more correctly
it’s a determination factor it’s a determination on the run this shot
exactly this way no matter what and as Joel says it’s a matter of trying to
seek pressure outside of the hunting situation nothing can replicate an
animal in front of you if you can go to tournaments if you can shoot in a crowd
of people do what some shooting in front of people is uncomfortable for you get
in front of people and shoot and you’re gonna fail and learn to say get
determined and concentrate through your shot and then have some success and then
we’re gonna do it you know a lot make it consistent in your confidence bills now
elevate the amount of stress or distraction that you have from that I
can make that shot at competition add find a way to add some pressure to your
shot outside of the situation well JT you know Turner Toth tells me you’ll
walk up to it he’s looking for a way to shooter pressure
walk up to a stranger trainers a 60-yard up and you know walk up with a guy and
go hey watch this I just been like a Muhammed Ali claim he’s gotta make a
good shot down that’s pressure I what I do for pressure is what I’m teaching I
should for my students watch this that’s pressure to be if I can’t shoot well
what kind of you know credibility do I have that’s pressure to me so I always
make sure I gather their attention and shooting
from my monitor angels my buddies and I’ve got four four or five is I haven’t
got that fifth my stop egg yeah I got four in a row watch this bit floor and
that’s pressure find a way to get pressure guys outside of the honey
environment nothing’s gonna replicate the real thing but for experience what
the real thing happens it’s gonna help but breathing is the first first key to
it that is a giant thing this gets you get some deep breaths in and out for me
it’s a big in-and-out Joel’s four in hold for four out hold for that’s a
great way to do it too flirty Carrie says hi dad hi sweetheart
alright here’s another question Jake our 315 our in-person coaching sessions or
weaken clinics and optional absolutely do impressing in-person coaching
sessions for an hour or three hour session or all-day session we call and
schedule all that stuff that’s all on the schedule we make sure we get the
crew here the shops covered in this one on one or one on two or three or four
but yes those are scheduled and scheduled in advance lessons all right
so we’re missing a lot of questions that are coming in online we’re gonna capture
all those questions and do another video you up for that right sure yeah cuz
we’re missing a lot but we’ve been going for an hour ten I’ve got three more two
more you good for him I’m good okay crow over the mountain criss cross oh yeah it
says hey Chris hey Tom I have to ask how you keep making the young bucks look bad
he’s talking about CERN’s AK not me absolutely I don’t make many of the
young bucks look bad it’s my goal to have them all I’ll shoot me and a bunch
of them are starting to have shoot me that is my goal is for them to beat the
teacher and nothing tickles me more than when they can
I’m not gonna let him do it and why don’t have to work for a couple two
three years to get her done I’m definitely not gonna do it but it’s my
goal for all of them out shooting you all right
Heartland Boyer says been getting a touch of sore shoulder here lately I’ve
been trying to draw in a very relaxed state forearm
hook and bicep using my back to drop I have found that if I put some tension in
the draw arm shoulder during this setup it is easier on my shoulder and I can
still shoot with back tension is my corrective action the correct thing to
be doing I feel the better my shot gets the more
in tune I’m getting with my body and vice-versa
yeah yeah oh that’s good you know you know you got to focus on where you start
to draw from of course but I have to kind of get some tension my right
shoulder keep it down and back to start my job if I’m drawing from up here that
that’s not gonna read it so what I’m going from set to set up I have to get
some tension in here to keep it low in this back as I can we’re shooting low
gray side heavy poundage hunting bows so that’s not easy and usually you know by
time we get coiled here it’s a reach up there if we don’t reach we’re bracing
the boat yeah that’s gonna take some tension here to hold that baby down and
that does reduce pain I felt it myself anything if you’ve got pain stop if you
found a way to get pain gone green light like I said before I’ll say it anytime
anything you’re doing that certainly every time stop doing that we may have
to go to a high draw and come down from here or jump out of like what we teach
with this movement we we may need to get into this one I mean you get away from
whatever strands of muscle whatever muscle group injured we’ve got to get
the stress off of it so yes I do the same same thing buddy I get I get some
tension in his shoulder so when I coil I can keep that down and back and then
start to draw it alone I like what you’re doing alright here’s
the last one we got Seneca Inc can you explain the preferred set up for a limb
clicker I’m look Tommy help on this we we set those things up I kind of liked
them at the end of the fade-out or so I don’t like to get them too high because
there’s not a lot of movement from the string away from the limb up high but
angle down lower gets a lot more movement for a little less effort so I’m
usually down below the fade out a little bit is where I like to Center them we
like to put D loop cord you know will nip off the chain chain will get deal
we’ll take the clicker part put the deal with the cord through there start
bringing in tamping it down so we build a head on that you know catches on the
whole bow on the clicker you know we’ve done a lot of split string and it would
tie knots and slide it back through for length sometimes if those sliding up and
down we’re gonna have a lot of twists we’ll put a little serving up and below
and above it to keep it that clicker cord from sliding up and down a lot of
times now we’re putting a little adjustment right in the middle of it a
little slip knot yeah no it’s not but that’s I purposely
read this question to force us to give him a more in-depth answer with the
video cuz we’ve got some good ways to set up clickers where you can adjust
your brace height and not have to take the whole clicker apart you can even
swap limbs or swap strings and make it an easy change you can change the you
can change the length really easy so you’ve got some good ways to do that
seneca will get will get a video up i’m saying it live on on this to force me to
do it because we’ve been meaning to do it anyway so we’ll get that video up and
answer that question in more detail so that pretty rep pretty much wraps it up
for the questions that we got before this video yeah we got a lot during the
video we’ll do this again we’ll do this again here we’ve got coaching moments up
on the push archer podcast will be doing more coaching moments there too and no
doubt some more Q&A yeah and thanks for sticking with us
guys for our first video first time trying this out was helpful guys will be
getting better at it yeah alright thanks guys

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  1. btw… that bow pile behind you guys there is somewhat insane! Some of the finest makes available there. Those Chastain wapiti bows are especially intriguing! Everyone says they are among the fastest bows theyve ever shot, look weird and can be slightly rough on finish! would love to see one shoot some day! cheers

  2. Local hero. 15 years ago when trad archery was struggling from bows training wheels he knew the future of archery would be back to the basics of stick and string. Their shop will set you so well you won’t need to go back for years. But I always find an excuse to make it in the shop once in a while.

  3. Awesome stuff guys, thank you for putting some info together. I would love to one day partake in a clinic with Tom sr and Joel Turner. The only downside to watching this video is I am at work and can't go pick up my bow right now and try to improve my skills.

  4. subtlely increasing tension is impt. We tend to take short cuts. I find that I have to mean it: ie expand slowly like I mean it. Otherwise, the arrow is gone and I have not gone through the proper, slowly initiated expansion.

  5. at 47:00. I agree that if it is working without a clicker. I agree joel has a very good mind set, but I am reluctant to go take a full course because there is no need to complicate things. I want to focus on the shot. Only focus on the shot. Don't focus on the clicker. I am reluctant to add any thing like a clicker or a full course. I only want to focus on the shot. expansion. I listen to hours and hours of podcast and I want to focus on the shot. I am reluctant take a full course and worry about too many things. I want to keep it simple: just focus on the shot. My whole work is on focusing on the shot. I still have a lot of work on that expansion: expanding slowly with meaningful thought, slowly. That is the only thing.

  6. at 47:00 tomsr is right. Add or not adding a clicker should not interfere with the expansion. If you are expanding correctly, the clicker will take care of it self. DO NOT FOCUS ON THE CLICKER!!!! NO NO NO!! Just expand slowly, meaningfully. slow expansion and that is all–like you mean it.

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